The Holy Quran in PDF

جزاك الله خيرا

Is this in Modern Arabic, or the original classical Arabic of the time that it was first made up? After all you have to read it, and understand it in the original in order to get the proper interpretation... Though, so few people actually can speak, or even read, classical Arabic nowadays that it must be in the modern dialect and thus ripe with errors. But then again so few Muslims nowadays can speak, or even read, modern Arabic as well that it makes one wonder about the whole thing to begin with.

Reminds me of the Roman Catholic Church and their past insistence that everything must be in Latin, which is even older than classic Arabic. The RC Church modernised, then the present leader wants to go back to the past

I read the Quran, but only in the English translation, as with the Christian Bible

What a great post!
Thank's (Shokran Zhazeelan)!

So you don't get an accurate interpretation either way, geoabba. ;-) BTW, the original language of much of the books of the OT of the bible was Aramaic and was LATER translated into Latin by Church scribes trained in the Greek tradition (This is also why modern Christianity resembles Greek mythology so much.).... Pope Ratsinger wants to go back to the good old days when the Church could get away with a lot more then they do now. I guess that he's jealous of those fundamentalist Islamic countries. ;-)

Dear Foub this is the Quran if you wish you can read it and let others read it if you don't then let people choose without interfering with their choices or judge other nations as a whole as you did in your last comment by saying "fundamentalist islamic countries" is reading a bible justifies saying those "fundamentalist christian or jewish or whatever religion countries???!!!" please don't label a whole country as being fundamentalist you are insulting a whole nation with that but then you only insult yourself with all respect to the religion you are following. ;-)

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Dear Foub this is the Quran if you wish you can read it and let others read it if you don't then let people choose without interfering with their choices or judge other nations as a whole as you did in your last comment by saying "fundamentalist islamic countries" is reading a bible justifies saying those "fundamentalist christian or jewish or whatever religion countries???!!!" please don't label a whole country as being fundamentalist you are insulting a whole nation with that but then you only insult yourself with all respect to the religion you are following. ;-)

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The point is that many Islamic apologists go on about having to read the Qu'Ran in the ORIGINAL language in order to get a proper interpretation of it. Well, unless this is in the ORIGINAL language than it is wrong by their own criteria.

Also, you are wrongly assuming that I am speaking of ALL nations with Muslims as being fundamentalists. There are many Islamic nations that are very moderate and progressive, and there are those who aren't. That is why I had included fundamentalist to differentiate them.

Like all theists you are easily insulted by nothing because you want to be insulted in order to justify your beliefs. You should know that in the West you don't have a right to be free from being offended. It isn't a capital offense to question the religious beliefs of others. We only have to respect your right to believe whatever you want, we don't have to respect the belief itself. You don't have freedom of conduct.

BTW, I'm not a theist of any kind, nor am I an atheist either. I am an agnostic (Strong). I see religion as the greatest evil ever created by Man because of religion's insidious nature. It is also what Man uses to create god in his own image.

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The Holy Quran is in its original form. The arabic text is the same in every Quran you can find in the world. You will be surprised as to how many people can read it in arabic.

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The vast majority of Muslims in the world AREN'T Arabic and can neither read it in Arabic, nor speak it. Their copies are in the language of their region. And no, the modern version isn't in the original language, but in modern Arabic and not classical Arabic of the time it was first made up. Plus, there are several different versions floating around as well. Just ask the Wahhabi of Saudi Arabia what they'll do to your copy if you enter their country with a version that is not their's. There is NO one version of Islam, you are as fragmented as Christianity is and you are more than willing to kill each other over nonsense.

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Mr or Ms. Foub, Why don't limit your opinions to your religion.

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I don't have a religion since they're such evil things.

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Especially when you're such an ignorant.

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Typical apologist nonsense using fallacies for arguments.

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To make it as understable as possible for someone of your mental level,to read, you must go to school, in school if you learn Arabic, you learn one and unique form of Arabic, neither the classical nor the modern Arab, THE Arabic.

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No such thing. A living language evolves, like life, as it goes along or it dies out.

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Because there is one Arabic,p

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Yeah, just like Iran's president said there are no gays in his country. [rolleyes]

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what you call modern arabic are vernacular languages, French is French,Cajun is not French.

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Its a dialect of French. You don't seem to understand this about languages. Quebec French is still French, and even Arcadian French is Frence, but a very old dialect of it.

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So if someone can read Arabic, he can read this document.

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Reading modern Arabic is not that same as reading the Original dialect of Arabic and the vast majority can't even read modern Ababic. I've seen versions of the Qu'Ran posted in many different languages for Muslims in their regions of the world.

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For difficult words there is dictionary, however may be a version with kids language should be issued to satisfy you or a version of the bible in thugs slang to make the bible comprehnsible.

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Thugs like their who crashed those planes on 9/11?

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What I find outrageous, is people speaking about important sensitive subjects they don't know.

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Oh, please. That is a load of crap.

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I am an Arab, I speak four western languages, know and live in the western world and never allow myself to say silly things about your culture or civilzation.

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Oh goodie for you. The difference is that Western civilization is progressive and has human rights while many of the cultures of the Middle-East are still in the Bronze Age and want the rest of us to be as well. Even with all of its flaws Western civilization is still better when it comes to being different. We have far more a real respect for human life and diversity.

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So why you westerner who don't know Arabic( otherwise, you'd have known that there is no Modern Arabic), you allow yourself from your ignorance tower to bother us with your silly, provocative, and racist comments. Got that ignorant, stop speaking of things you don't know about

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As I had said, the vast majority of Muslims in the world don't know Arabic either.

BTW, how is being a Muslim a race? Like Europeans, those in Northern Africa and Northern India the peoples of the Middle-East are of the same race as I am, Caucasian. Whereas Muslims can be of any race as well. Are you saying that only you Arabs can be "TRUE" Muslims? My, that is what is called being racist. You only have to look in a mirror to see what it looks like.

Like every theistic apologists that I have ever encountered you are really full of it and don't really have any valid arguments beyond, "Oh you insult me...." Its really pathetic. I don't live in fear for daring to question that which I see as evil. The penalty for leaving Islam is death. The penalty for a woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant from it is also death under Sha'ria Law.

Is there an english translation? Would like to read it, out of curiosity.

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You can read translations of Holy Quran to more than 20 languages here (English translations also exist):
www.kuran.gen.tr

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"Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My Signs: Even if they see all the Signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected Our Signs, and failed to take warning from them."
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The Elevated Place / 146

Typical apologetic crap. When they can't win honestly they fall back on quoting their fairy tales as if that had any real meaning. [rolleyes] BTW, the bible has similar passages, which obviously Mohammad stole from for his Moon god. I'm not the one who is being lead "astray" from the truth, nor am I the one who is refusing to see reality either.

If I were as easily impressed by a book of fairy tales, written for ignorant goat herders, as you are I would deserve the scorn I've shown towards those of your type myself. I don't fear your god's wrath since it is as impotent as you are. Any belief that has to be spread through threat of death, or worse, is inherently evil. Given the choice of being in heaven with the likes of you and oblivion I would choose oblivion. The irony is that not even Mohammad could read a word of any language at all. He was an illiterate child molester.

worried, if you have already read the OT of the Christian bible than you have read pretty much read much of the Qu'Ran as well since it is based on it, but in their version it will read like disjointed poetry and nonsensical matter of fact statements. At least the bible has a more, or less, coherent story structure to it.

Double post.

firstly : Typical apologetic crap sure that work for you foub not for god saying ,
secondely : if the not knowing people keep their mouth shut the world will be more peacefull place ,
thirdly : how can be you believe evil exist but not god just tell what type of brain do you have,
finally : if you die like this (in mind setting) you will see the big con ( ps: make your brain work),

and dont be provocative in your talk about our religion (in fact its for all but not for you)we (muslims) are beyond your scope and keep your materilist analysis for your self because at best you know just one side of the equation.
ps: you dont deserve this information but im bound to say it

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firstly : Typical apologetic crap sure that work for you foub not for god saying ,

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god saying?

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secondely : if the not knowing people keep their mouth shut the world will be more peacefull place ,

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"Human life and destiny is always endangered when prophets of
whatever sort demand, 'Frage nicht, glaube!' Do not question.
Believe!"
-Jack Forstman

I will not "shut up" for the likes of you. Theists are the cause of much of the extreme violence in the world today.

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thirdly : how can be you believe evil exist but not god just tell what type of brain do you have,

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Who said anything about god? Remember I had said that I was an agnostic, not an atheist. I had also said that religion is the greatest evil ever created by man and that it is what man uses to create god in his own image. Evil is and always has been a human concept. At least I have a brain.

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finally : if you die like this (in mind setting) you will see the big con ( ps: make your brain work),

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Of course.

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and dont be provocative in your talk about our religion (in fact its for all but not for you)we (muslims) are beyond your scope and keep your materilist analysis for your self because at best you know just one side of the equation.

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Please, you aren't all that difficult to figure out with your simplistic world view.

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ps: you dont deserve this information but im bound to say it Edit Del

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There is much you don't deserve at all.

See what happens when you post CRAP??? Like all religious rubbish this belongs there as well!!!!

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Foub, First,you're ignorant as I said before.

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I'm not the one who takes superstition as reality.

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What you call Modern Arabic is a modern calligraphy of classical arabic. Definetively it is a living language who get enriched not changed. There are 3 classical arabics (qahtani, yemeni and nabatean). Only one survive the qahtani, even if the yemeni one still subsist in some words pronounciation of some arab peoples. Why the Qahtani form only survived, because Muhammad belongs to Quraish which is a qahtani tribe. From that moment, islamic domination led to qahatni arabic domination as quran is in qahtani arabic. This form of Arabic get enriched, stuctured by the grammarian Abu al Aswad ad duuli,but never changed.

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I didn't say that it was dead, muti. Enriched and changed are the same thing in this context, muti. Like all living languages it has evolved over time. English still uses the same alphabet it used for centuries...

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To give your science as you show off.

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My science? [rollseyes]

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What you call classical arabic, is ancient forms of calligraphy. An english text written in old calligraphy is still english and can be understood if written with modern calligraphy. Which is the case, here.Besides, Quran is very easy to understand as the grammar almost never changed. There are some difficult words,like in any religious or philosiphical text but there's dictionary.

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Here is refutation of your claim about the Qu'Ran being unchanged.

http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch1.html

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I will not respond to your 9/11 remark. When I say racist, I didn't want to form a neologism, but what I meant is culturalist or civilizationist, your comments on the Arab World definitevly demonstrate that you're such a culture or civilization prejudicied.

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It still isn't being racist. Though, you saying that it was shows that you're being a racist yourself. My comment is accurate about much of the Arab world and not prejudiced at all. It is a primitive culture stuck in the past for the most part.

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Finally, Human rights, democracy, and blah blah and age of Bronze nah nah ni,one sentence for you. Most of Arabs are run by brutal tyrants who encourage or use such backward mentality and practices,

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A theocracy is the worse form of tyranny there is. There is no example of a humane theocracy. This should tell you something.

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while you americans are free to elect and to replace your governors, and you didn't do anything against Iraq butchery, Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo. In practices we're may be at the same level but we don't want it but you want it for revenge sake. Moreover, 9/11 attackers were 19 renegades of the Arab world, your more than one hundred thousand soldiers in Iraq constitute an agression wanted by the American people, accepted by the congress, executed by the president and his army, we're speaking of a total and complete injust wrong and criminal war. Got that ignorant?

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I bet that you believe that you got me here and have put me in my place. Well, I've got news for you, I'm not an American. [smiles] Much of that I totally agree with you on. You can't force democracy at the end of a gun. Iraq is just going to vote itself into a theocracy. Bush is an utter moron. Its ironic that Iraqi women were far safer under Saddam, with his rape rooms and all, than they are now under Islam.

And I suppose that those millions and millions of Muslims world-wide were "renegades" as well who called for death, and worse, for the West because of those silly little cartoons of Mohammad the child molesting illiterate warlord?

You're such a retard. I can only feel pity that you have chosen to live in such willful ignorance.

Dear Foub,
Can't you just quit trying so hard to prove how bad islam is? why can't you just let people share their posts without attacking their beliefs, nobody is trying to make you become a muslim you can be whatever you want to be, all I am asking is don't try to make people feel bad about their beliefs because muslims will not be convinced to change their thoughts and beliefs for your sake, just let muslims feel peace inside to talk since they do not offend you, you started all of this you could have just let people share this post without trying to convince everyone who comes here to download the Quran to benefit from it about your personal view of islam, believe me you insulted yourself more than once and what for?! if you believe people have the right to believe then please do not interfere with other peoples' beliefs, you have your own belief and we have our own and lets stop this argument right now...thank you.
ps, by the way you have an interesting way of replying to others comments..lol

Islam is peace and tolerance, Quran is God speaking, Foub sux, Jack Forstman sux! LOL

@Foub & Co: be atheist or not, be whatever you want, but let people be free to choose the way they live, and to choose their beliefs and religion, noone asked you to read it, do it if you're curious, or live it if you want!

Symphony

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