Can Prayer Heal? --- yossi

Before you download more than 400 MB:
The answer is: NO!
Of course...

i think..
if you are a believer
first of all you need to believe in god.
not to expect help from god. (like the most of the prayers do)
it means "love without conditions"

yes 400mb will not help anyone or heal anyone.

fact :
There is 3 type of people in this world.
1st type : The people that make it happen (worker/builder/creator...ect)
2nd type : The people watch what happen (lazy/careless)
3rd type : The people wonder what happen. (dumb ass)

oh no, doctor! doctor!
this is an emergency, we have a big problem... our patience is badly hurt!!!

Doctor : ok now, i want you all to listen to me, all stand up and all face this way...
now clap your hands and sing!!
(half-hour later)
nothing seems to make anything....

By now we hopefull all know that there's no such thing as GOD. And whoever wants to dispute that then you're a "sheep". What I mean by this is you belive whatever you were told by other people. Thats' what sheep do. They follow the flock. It's time for you to ask yourself "Is what I believe something I heard from others/my parents OR is it something I did hardcore research on and questioned to what I believe is true or not."

Do your homework people. All gods you believe are nothing but retold tales of previous gods who are also retold tales going back to imagination and fantasy.

REMEMBER: Not a single sheep in a flock dares to change it's path (IE: The believers in god don't dare to change their views of looking at alternative paths or facts, because they're scared, just like that one sheep. So you go with the flock, believing whatever everyone else is.)

There we go. A sheep will inevitably respond. You're (just like anyone else who's dispute) uneducated and haven't done your homework friend.

Only a few hundred years if I told you or anyone else that the earth was round instead of flat, I'd be critizised, or stoned to death. Because ofcourse everyone (the sheep who followed the flock) believed without a shadow of doubt that earth is flat.

Just like now most believe without a shadow of the doubt that there is such thing as god.

Luckly more and more people (and you too soon will join) are finding out the truth that religion and/or god was nothing but a form for mass control and to keep people blinded from the real truth.

Dood, the real truth is a few clicks away from you. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

OFcourse once again people who are reading this will still believe that the earth is flat (metahphore that there is a god) instead of round (metaphore that god exists.)

Don't worry. Soon you'll know the truth. And realize how blinded you were by believing something your whole life that you didn't dare to question.

well said for the last sentence!! *thank you*

WhataWonderfulWickedWorld

Hey you so called "astounding", as a tiny and useless individual of the today world, do you think you are in a better situation to understand, judge and question the exitence of God. who are you? No one in this world knows where we are heading.

Why does anyone really have to get on a podium and preach out their own stance ??? Trust your instincts without fear. I too agree with only one statement in this entire post which actually speaks for both parties - "Soon you'll know the truth".

Does it really matter to anyone that you might be wrong or right in your belief - whether atheism or x-theism except yourself? Then keep it too yourself. Make merry and cheer while you're alive and dont sweat more than duly making sure of "advanced bookings" for later.

What is "one of the greatest miracles that happens every year in Jarusalem when a divine fire comes from god" ?? I'm sure believer or non-believer alike would like to know...I would.

Hi, first of all THX a lot, great post, it's nice to hear differents points of view about this...
Oh, and nickalaan, can you please explain me when a divine fire comes from god an fall on Jerusalem? I never hear about it on the news..

Thanks a lot. :)

The comments are probably more interesting than the movie because the movie is simple...can prayer heal?
Of course not!
As for the comments...
nickalaan how can you be so self righteous and yet so so gullible as to post a link to some pile of crap that is and has never been scientifically verified???
I know believers like you or sheep as astounding so eloquently put it, will berate folk like me for wanting everything to be scientifically verified but, even your god would know that, as humans, that is ALL we have when it comes to providing ourselves with believable evidence. Evidence for many things. what the sun is made of, how our heart beats...I could go on. the point is that science is not something demonic or only the field of the atheist (by the way there is no such thing as an atheist preacher...we are ALL BORN ATHEISTS! Yep, 'tis true enough!) so science is what we are(deservedly for sure) requesting be used when we are faced with anything which challenges our world and our VERIFIABLE surroundings and what we know about the earth and ophysics. what we know about beliefs is that they are all, at some point based on one thing and one thing alone (along with a load of story pseudo history and dogma) and that thing is called FAITH. Blind faith as some call it.
Faith is, by definition a belief in something that is not scientifically verifiable.
therefore, in my opinion, religion and your stupid miracle is yet another leap into the blind faith world.
the same world that gnomes and goblins and David Koresh lives/lived in.
And the world is changing people...no longer will it be an unwritten law that religion garners respect just for being rel;igion.
You don't respect someone who comes and tells you they believe in gnomes and secret worlds or aliens that take them away each night and bring them back by morning via transportation to another dimension...you call them idiots(or if you are a decent guy you whisper it to yourself!) you definitely do not respect it.
Religion has NEVER and cannot show itself to be any differenbt to any of a trillion fairy stories or fantasies that I can make up any time!!
So it deserves no respect and, the people who get so angry whilst claiming to follow these religions are the epitomy of hypocrasy! They say these gentle things like love thy neighbour and peace to mankind and all of the rest of it and then they get so angry they might try to rip your head of in a second!!!
Hehe.
Mind you, if you actually read the old testament you will see that it actually does teach such horrors as death to unbelievers, kill those who have an image of another god(??) and let's not forget it's constant belittling and degradation, not to mention RAPE of women in it's so called historic account.
all of the above sanctioned by the GOD in the great book.
If you wish the actual biblical references I might even go that far but let's just agree to differ because I just know the typical 'sheep' answer and I am sick of hearing it.
If you do then OK. It will be amusing if nothing else.

Oh and ramza ... that made me laugh too!

Fa.

For anyone who needs to see the ctual 'prrof' or some video 'evidence' I give you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkaSeJFPuM
That really is funny stuff. The people who are there, waving hands and face into a flame and amazingly: NOT BURNING!!!
Wow!
the problem is obvious to anyone willing to see beyond blind belief and that problem is this: anyone can do it!!!
They are all putting the flame on them for such a short length of time that it just proves how hot it feels to them...like it would to you and me if we did it. Of course we would still be able to do it and so we could actually go there and claim to have had a miracle too!
Amazing!
I take back all I said. I believe!


Fa.

Thx a lot : Fa, for your post, OK, now that I have seen "The miracle", and I know that anyone can do it (because it have a perfect, scientific explanation), I think that nickalaan it's actually a sheep.... sorry man, but any child can prove that there is no miracle there, and only someone really brainwashed can believe something like that.

Here's some video's to watch for "sheep" who belive in god or belive in miracles:
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=truth+about+the+jesus+myth&search=Search

Note: I said "belive", which is simply a phrase used when someone has once told you something and from then on you "belived" it and never questioned otherwise. Just like when we all "belived" that Santa-Clause was real. At that time we would punch someone who said that Santa-Clause is just a story.

And now even the god "belivers" laugh when they think of Santa-Clause.

That's right god-believers.

There's so many little things like this that you never thought of.

Or how about the fact that 70 years ago, a Christian god believer thought or ABSOLUTELY BELIEVED that at some point during his lifetime, god will come to earth and judge living and the dead.

And at that time if someone told him that god will never judge, the believer would've criticized him.


Well, did god come down and judge living and the dead. NO!!!!

It's all a belief people. A belief is something that's so real to you that you totally filter out anything that questions the belief.

And poor god believers today are STILL going "At some point of my life, god will come down and judge living and the dead".

And the cycle repeats.

Wow. As usual, nothing but stereotyping on both sides.
Yet both sides claim to have open minds and "see the truth".
It should be abundantly clear by now that this is not a debate of logic or reason on either side...read the responses objectively if you can and I suspect you might agree. It's all just a whole lot of heat.
I don't claim to know the truth, only what I have seen with my own eyes, felt with my own heart, and attempted to sort out with my own brain.
In the end, we all must decide for ourselves.
Not everyone believes because of what they've been told.
Not everyone disbelieves because of science.
Not everyone is a sheep...some do question.
Science is not infallible.
Faith is not infallible.

For the record, I'm a believer. I question EVERYTHING about organized religion. I question my faith. I apply logic and reason to it constantly. Yes, there are many many sheep out there, but not all are sheep. And yes, those of us who question are often seen in a bad light by those who don't. I also believe that "scientific fact" and faith are more closely related than most people on either side of the argument would be comfortable with.
There are many things in the bible that point to this possibility, just as there are many things in science which do the same.
The bottom line, to me, is that if you think you can possibly completely understand the universe or God, you are deluding yourself.
Humans have an extremely limited mental capacity when faced with the awesome complexity of either the universe OR God.
The point, as I see it, is not to expect to actually solve the mystery...the point is just to try.

For my fellow believers, remember this:
"Come, let us reason together, says the Lord."
Challenge, think, reason. Discount nothing.
If your faith cannot withstand that, then it's not what you think it is to begin with.

For my friends in the science/atheistic circles, I think the same principle applies.

Neither side has anything to lose by open exploration except preconceptions.

In the science field my friend, we are netural towards both sides. And all we do is not belive. But look at the facts.

Unfortunately for those who have not done extreme hardcore reading/watching/comparisons in this religion field will either say god exists, or repond as you have.

The only thing a "beliverer" can base his so called proof on is the bible. And that's the problem right there. The bible is the source. And everyone is looking at the bible. And the bible has been MISinterrpreted by people that's it's a word of god. Nope. If you read carefuly you'll also see that aliens/UFO's were heavily involved in the concept.

Sheep explanation for Moses being burnt after coming from mountains from speaking to god: Light was very intense and hot.

Scientific explanation: Radiation from UFO which caused burnt skin.

Or let's just stop and think "God created everything".

Can you see how absurd this is and impossible. You'll have to spend infinte years just describing how grass should look like. Then go onto a single bacteria and spend shitloads of time describing it's characterisitcs. Then spend another infinite years thinking of how you'd have to make bacteria and grass interact. Then you move onto each eliment and create inifite combinations of what happens when each one of them mix at various quantities. Thne you'll spend another lifetime describing how a tree should look like, yet alone multitude of trees.

Can you see how stupid the bible tries to keep humans?!! One can't create something unless they have a frame of reference to what it should be like. Then god will have to spend infinite years deciding how the solar system aligns and exact positioning of the planets relative to the sun. Then move onto billions of other solar systems within a galaxy.

But let's put that aside and consider these points:
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We read that God created man and woman. This implies that God is not man or woman
“himself.” Yet, consistently, the post-diluvian religions all over the globe, constantly
depicted and referred to God as male? They do this even when, in the case of Hebrew,
the name for deity is of feminine gender.

We are told that man was not originally evil. He became that way after the disobedience
of Eve in the Garden. Why would God create something born in his image and
then deny him some aspect of knowledge and then even banish him from paradise after
it had been received?

We must also ask why God would condemn his creations for something that was not a
conscious transgression? Why the tests imposed on those who must already be innocent
in nature?

Then we are told that the parents sinned, only after they fell under the influence of the
evil one, Satan. So we ask, why would God allow his newly created beings to be in the
proximity of this “evil one?” Who created the serpent?

To astounding
Can u tell me how an atom created & who was the creator?
I want to decide where i should be...
thanks

I don't answer stuff that I haven't done at least 1 year of full time research, reading, and comparisons on. So I can't answer you that, else I'll be speaking from "what I believe". But the fact is what one believes is totally irrelevant and in most cases totally false.

Small kids believe in Santa Clause. But does Santa exist. Ofcourse not! First off all there's no reindeer specie on the planet that can fly. Secondly if one santa were to carry even 100 gram present for even 1 million people, you're talking about carry on you a 1000 ton building.

Ofcourse when one believes in stuff, they completely dissregard these scientific FACTS!

That's what I mean. Religion and god is the same. It's designed to keep people from questioning and learning further into the subject. Because as soon as one "believes" that immediately gives them an unconsious excusee not to EVER research into that subject further.

Typical mass mind-control act.

"Anyone who believes there is no God.....Is a Fool." These are not my words. The word of God says that in the book of Proverbs Chapter 9 verse 10. Why are you all so angry and hostile. So you don't believe.So....
Should I be angry and hostile to you who don't believe? NO.Respect is important. We should respect each other's opinion. The question was.. is.. Do you/we believe in the power of prayer? If you don't just say No..and don't even bother to download the file, and just move on. No need to shred each other.

Prov 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

GOD BLESS

Please anyone, post an RS link for this. Thanks in advance