Eagles Hotel California (DVD-Audio 24/96 Six-Channel, NEW RIP!)

isn't this dvd-a mlp data at 192kHz?

@roybaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio

Se 100 Ekdosis To Exw To Diskaki Afto,
Ali Mia Den Vlapti,Prepei Na Inai Kai I Kaliteri.
Se Efxaristw Para Poli VanPelten.

Marvelous, indeed! )

One slight problem.. When I listen to this using Winamp + headphones, "background" details sound very smoothed (like with a reverb) and stereo image is strange. I suspect that the problem is with Winamp mixing 4 channels into stereo... Is is tru and what music player can handle this correctly?

@sokos: Eineh to kalitero ekthosi, vevos. Imeh efxarstimenos pos ektimate.

@stfine: It's your (and most) sound card that only plays back a stereo mix (probably the front 2 channels) of multi-channel; you have to listen to it on a DVD player w/surround sound amp/receiver & system after burning to DVD-A to hear the real thing.

Surround sound is 5.1, then howcome sound of these FLACs (4 channels only) can mirror the sound on the original disc? This is a lossy rip. Since you did so much work (or did you), what stopped you from posting the DVD image in its entirety? Unfortunate...so close...yet so far! Appreciate your post, but wished you had traveled a little more distance. If you are an audiophile, there's no room for compromise anywhere. I also don't understand most people's fascination with 24/96 vinyl rips. They sound crap compared to, say, an XRCD or DVD-A. Anyhow...even though I am not downloading this...thanks.

@cdfreako - thx, i didn't know multichannel dvda was limited to 96khz, the stereo mlp on this disc is 192khz

@amitnewyork - probably the original multichannel version was made for the QUADRAPHONIC that was in style in the 80s and this is just a strait copy to dvda by the record company

@roybaty: You might be surprised to know that 5.1 surround audio on DVD is actually lossy. Lossless multichannel audio is so huge, that it would fit only on a Blu-ray disc or a dual-layer DVD, both of which would be way too expensive. A normal DVD doesn't have enough space. PCM 2.0 coded audio fits onto a DVD nicely. I don't know about this DVD, but Wikipedia reports that this DVD-A was issued with surround sound. Anyways...I am not interested in DVD-A rips. So, it doesn't matter.

The only DVD-audio version I know of, was released in 2001 (Record Label: Elektra, Catalogue Number: 60509-9).
If this was taken from same release, then something is wrong. The Elektra release contained a 6 ch 96kHz/24bit MLP surround track.
Please state the source of this 4 ch rip? I have never heard of an official quad mix of "Hotel California".

BTW:
6 ch (5.1) surround audio on a DVD-audio is mostly 96kHz/24bit, MLP encoded, which is a lossless encoder.

@roybady yeah I didn't know either until I started looking into dvd audio and how/if it could be "cracked"

@amitnewyork & "gfv0" I downloaded the files, burned them to DVD with DVD Flick, a great Linux proggie, and got full multitrack 5:1 surround sound on my home theater system. My receiver indicated the input was 5:1, so my theory is that all the channels are contained in the wavs. But it sounds like you're trolling more than critiquing anything.

@vanpelten this is one helluva post and want to thank you for it. Despite having several copies of Hotel California, including aksman's fab vinyl rip, this is definitely the king, I've listened to it 4 times already:)

Hi
I think that CD is watermarket! My Denon DVD 3930 stopped after 15-20sec.
I have byrned as DVD-Audio with Discwelder Chrome2!

I have a Denon DVD-2930CI and the DVD-Audio I burned from these files plays excellent all the way thrugh, no stopping. I used DVD Audio Solo v.1.44 to burn the Disk, no problems just great sound!

For those of you concerned with your player and watermarking issues:

I just uploaded the shortest track (#5, title smacks of irony) to RS so you might test it by burning to disc with your favorite DVD audio authoring program. Try it on your DVD player to see if you encounter any problems. I tested the compiled burn on three players, Panasonic SD-97, Marantz BD8002 & Oppo DV-983H, and it played flawlessly in all of them, as it appears to have on several other units that were mentioned in the thread. But I can't vouch for every player out there and how they'll react to DVD-Audio compilations via watermarking...I don't want anyone wasting unnecessary bandwidth. The link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/249999596/DVDATEST_TRACK.rar (about 70mb)

PS: Thus far, there have been 240+ downloads/each of this post and only one reported problem relating to a Denon unit that I've heard about. However, if anyone else encounters an issue, please post it here along with your player, model number and DVD audio authoring program you used.

Yeahhh!! At least! I get proper playing of this on the headphones / stereo acoustics.

Foobar 2000 + Channel Mixer component (http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/show.php?id=109), Output Channels in component config set to 2.

))))))) Marvelous!!!

Good luck, Guthead; please report back on how it checks out for you...wish I had thought of it sooner had I known anyone would encounter a problem.

I have 8.1 HD sound kart at my komputer, with 5.1 digital speakers....and I can say this plays correct as 5.1, played with AIMP2 player.
The quality is quite good, except that for my taste missing strength in the sound, so it takes well to turn the sound button. :)

VanPelten: Not to bust your chops, but something went wrong in your rip here. I have this DVD-A ripped already, and it is 6 channels, not 4. The total, as FLAC8 is 2.4GB for this one. Somehow 2 channels disappeared.

Excellent upload though. I really commend your effort.

edit: I did download your testfile. It is 93.4MB as a WAV. My rip is 140.1MB and includes 6 channels.

edit2: I checked in Audacity as well on your and my WAV of Wasted Time (reprise), and you seem to miss LFE and Center channel.

@johhenrik: OMG! After reading your post, I went back and ripped another test of track 5...and realized my original numbnuts errors in not checking "merge groups" when extracting waves from the DVD-A!! My deepest apologies to those who downloaded it, despite sounding as good as it does.

Here's Track 5 (appropriately named, after all) correctly ripped (in Level 8 FLAC) with all 6 channels: http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

As penance, I'm going to rerip the rest and up them to rapidshare with a new link. In the meantime, please accept my sincerest regret for the oversight; thanks to johhenrik for the candid feedback. I plan to post a few more DVD-A rips, assumimg I have any credibility left after this blooper :-0

Why not rip at Level 0 FLAC, sounds more better. More compresed, more missing strength in the sound.

error (http://rapidshare.com/files/250059977/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar)
The uploader has removed this file from the server.

Hi
Few things
1) LINKS ARE DEAD, can someone please reupload it?
2)How do I convert it to a stereo? I want 24/96 stereo, is it possible? and how can I do it please ?

@eadd: please read my post 29 Jun 2009 19:47...three posts above. I deleted the files after learning of an error in the original rip. I'm re-ripping and reupping them as soon as they're complete. If you want this in 24/94 stereo, goto aksman's terrific vinyl rip: http://avaxhome.ws/music/rock/theeagles_hotelcalifornia_hiresvinyl.html

@JustPlay: 0 Flac makes for less compression, larger files to download...especially with a post this large. The working link for my 6-channel test track is: http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar. I inadvertently removed it when deleting the original files.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt147/vanpelt_bucket/TestFile6-Ch.jpg?t=1246307218

Dear friend VanPelten,
The difference is perhaps only 200-300 mb, if it is a price for higher quality sound, it's not so high..
That seems to me more acceptable than vice versa.

No problem, Guthead...appreciate all the heads-up I can get to make sure the new rip is spot on. Just finished re-ripping and preparing a test burn to DVD using discWelder Chrome to make sure it plays alright on my 3 DVD players. If all goes well, it should be re-upped by tomorrow. Here's a shot of the newly (and correctly) ripped 6-channel waves:

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt147/vanpelt_bucket/NewRip_DWChrome.jpg?t=1246308953

As for the original test file, dump it; I put the new 6-channel Track #5 up for test and approbation here in case you missed it (just noticed it's been dl'd 9 times already and no bitching...yet:

http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

@JustPlay: With the new 6-channel rip, we're looking at maybe another 500mb or more larger if I use FLAC's 0 mode...I'll stick with 8, the best compression...especially for those good souls who might be re-downloading it again. I don't know why the playback on your pc & sound card should suffer...they'll still be lossless files.

At my Pc I can hear difference, and onest in principe I don't download flac 8 mode.
It's mean, I have no particular reason to re download.
Thank you

@Guthead: Of course when I upload the new rip, I'll add the disclaimer about watermarking issues with certain players...some Denons seem to have the problems, from what I've just learned, as they have more aggressive watermark recognition than most players. Oddly enough, the Denon issues weren't mentioned in the countless DVD-Audio forum posts I read in prepping for the original rip & upload...and someone here posted his/her Denon played the rip fine...so I was unaware yours won't play the DVD at the time I uppped it. As I mentioned, I tested the burned DVD on my three different players and it played right through...go figure. DVD-Audio rips are relatively new territory, so it's still a work in progress.

BTW, why not use FLAC command line or a FLAC GUI frontend to decompress the files? Other than dbPoweramp, that's my main FLAC decompressing app. Lastly, you're absolutely correct, unlike lossy codecs such as MP3, Ogg, etc. there's no difference in sound quality due to compression ratios with FLAC or APE...lossless in, lossless out. Oh, I also discovered that APE (best stereo compression IMHO) won't do multichannel...FLAC is the only one.

@JustPlay: I'm not being "mean" believe me; just trying to do right by the people who expect the best, most efficient downloads on Avax. My original post was also FLAC level 8. I know how good the files you downloaded sound, so if you're listening with your current PC/sound card configuration and are happy with them, why bother with another (and even larger) download?

Best,
VP

@JustPlay
It is simply not possible to hear a difference between FLAC 0 and FLAC 8 because there is none audible difference. The only differnce can be found in the file size... The author integrate that feature into FLAC only for faster encoding/decoding on slower computers. There is even no change in the bitrate. You can compare it with the different options of WinRAR for example... Slow, Fast, Fastest. Her is alsio the only difference in packaging/unpackaging speed, after decoding you have the original files again.

This DVD-A is definitely watermarked as revealed with 4C12bit utility of DVDAExplorer.

Watermarking is no problem for my Denon DVD-2930, the Disk I burned plays perfectly on it. There must be some dark variable science at work in this watermarking business. I'm anxious for the newer six-channel post, I'm game!

Not to rub salt in the wounds, but my 2930CI is also region-free and plays PAL and NTSC. Perhaps they are very different animals, with different chipsets and technlolgy. Also a great up converting player!

Thanks you very much, VanPelten! We all make mistakes some time. Looking for re-uploaded 5.1 audio.

(Foobar ships with a 5.1 to stereo converter component, but the result seems too loud comparing to Channel Mixer plugin. Gonna compare them when have the real thing - the first track :)

@stfine: I've already posted track #5 from my freshly (and correctly!) ripped upcoming 6-channel post, here's the link (again:-) so you can give it test ride now...though I still don't know why people use foobar to rip when they can easily get the free FLAC codec in command line or GUI interface:

http://rapidshare.com/files/250069679/TEST_TRACK-6CH.rar

@Guthead: Hey, it's just a matter of luck, I didn't have a clue prior to your situation that some machines still have watermark issues. I've never ever had a problem with my Oppo and any DVD or even rot-gut media; would trade the Marantz and/or Panny to keep my Oppo...if pressed...in a heartbeat! Just upping the 13-files of the new 6-ch. rip as I write this. Burned a DVD-A with them and it tested flawlessly in all three players. If I get positive feedback on it, I'll post a rip of Queen's "Night At The Opera" DVD-A. I'm sure there's a workaround for you...will research and PM you when I find something.

VanPelten, I tried the link, and enjoyed it, but these strings sound good in every configuration :)

I use Foobar not to rip but to play. Stereo acoustic and good headphones are all I have at the moment.

Just reporting that the new 6 Channel version sounds even better than the first because of better surround if you have a 5 to 6 Channel system. The quality of the audio is still as stunning and realistic as the first one and both versions play very perfectly on my Denon DVD-2930CI.

Thank you for being so up-front with everything and for the excellent work you do, Vanpelten, it is very appreciated!

Now...says the troller...the work is complete. Pat yourself where u like it :-))

Wow! One song 'Hotel' weights ~400MB ))) Absolute champion! (Never afforded it if not unlimited traffic) :o)

VanPelten, when I saw the re-upload of the six-channel mix, I figured the four-channel "Hotel California" I downloaded from you sounded so fine, it couldn't be better. Especially as I only have a 4-speaker setup. But I couldn't resist and grabbed the whole damned 4+ gigabyets of your new rip, I'm compulsive that way. Hooboy! this one sounds even better, it's a true demonstration-quality DVD Audio Disc to show off my system. This must have been a real hassle for you, but it's very much appreciated. Gracias!

Hotel California sounds amazing on DVD audio, i actually have this DVD-A myself so don't need to download but tis well worth getting if you don't have it!

Xcuse me guthead, but weren't you the one whose player can't play watermarked DVD's? So why the petulent attutude? VanPelten has busted his chops getting the burns right, reburning and reuploading, so chill with the petty picking, dude. Maybe he didn't want to post a full-blown 7-gig or so disc? Who knows? Just be grateful there's a bunch of [mostly] thoughtful and appreciative uploaders on this site who share such great stuff. If you ever get a chance to hear Hotel California on DVD audio, do so, it's FABULOUS!!!!!

I don't want to get into a dissing match, g(b)uthead, but if you're so anxious to learn about dvd audio, why not do a search for yourself instead of constant nitpicking someone's post who, by your own admission, you can't play on your player? If you've done it "so many times" yourself [tho it's quality not quanity that counts] why not research the biiiiig wiiiide internet? It's amazing what's out there :)

As for posting ISO, why not the 24/96 vinly rips that need to be reauthored to DVD? How come it just occured to you to make the suggestion? T-h-i-n-k-i-n-g and r-e-a-d-i-n-g are fundamental. Say g'night, gracie! LOL!

Posting an ISO of DVD is always a better option, since it gives the downloader ease of burning and presents the DVD in its entirety with all its menus, set up options and such, not to mention saving the uploader all the hassle of going thru ripping and compressing the audio tracks. Just to give an example, I am not sure on this, but I believe, all DVDs come with the PCM 2.0 option in their set-up menus, so those who don't own a 5.1 can enjoy it as well. Now, these tracks have a limited audience, whereas for nearly same amount of work, its audience could have been increased. Anyhow, great job done by VP. Will download tracks now that the post is technically correct. Thank you.

Hi, from the other troller (I don't even know what it means). I am just glad more people can be exposed to the amazing sound
quality of hi-res music. I think DVD-audio & SACD failed because people were not exposed to it.

@VanPelten: Thanks for the effort, especialy fixing it. About your credibility, I think it is even higher now. Admitting a
mistake and fixing it so soon, means a lot more. Any chance that you can send me a list of DVD-audio titles you have. I was
lucky to get some of these discs myself. I am always hoping to find people to share with. Do you perhaps have "Fleetwood Mac -
Rumours"?

@amitnewyork: This DVD-audio only have a 6 ch hi-res part, no hi-res stereo tracks. What happens mostly on discs like this,
is that the producer includes downmix coefficients onto the disc, which a proper DVD-audio player uses to play a stereo downmix.
My NAD T535 displays "NO DOWNMIX" when coefficients are not present and plays front L & R channels only on the stereo output.

I forgot something, for the people who have now experienced hi-res sound quality. Are you aware of the excellent DVD-audio
"Emerson, Lake And Palmer: Brain Salad Surgery". It is available at Mojave Productions.

@gfv0: Good to see someone keenly paying attention to technicals. I have a few Deep Purple, Depeche Mode, and nearly all Porcupine Tree DVD-As. Will try to post them as and when time permits, of which, unfortunately, I find not much. SACD may "appear" to have failed, but actually, its sales have grown by triple digit percentages in CY 2008, owing especially to a lower base, but also because it has created a niche for itself in the audiophile market with nearly no competitor in sight.

You all make excellent and tragically true points, DVD-audio is an infinitely superior medium for hi-res but lack of interest, poor marketing and draconian copy protection have made this an endangered species. Kudos to VanPelten for exposing people to the magic as well as his quick turnaround in correcting an error. All this LP ripping to 24/96 is almost laughable, I've downloaded a few and in every case they don't sound as good as well-mastered CDs. But who am I to call out the emperor's clothing :)

@amitnewyork - Would love to sample your Depeche Mode DVD-As, when you have the time. I'll dig around for something good & rare and upload it. Thanks to my crappy internet provider's stingy 5GB upload cap, I'll have to forgo torrents for the month in order to do so.

Thanks once again to VanPelten for bringing us an audio gem and for galvanizing this interesting discussion.

Having read the comments above I think all of us can agree that hi-res audio is always welcome here irrespectively of formats and watermarks. Well done VanPelten, keep sharing!

Hi VanPelten..I'm using DVD Audio Solo to burn downloaded files but following error appears---"E:\HotCalDVDA6CH\01. Hotel California.flac exceeding DVD-Audio specs of 9.6MB/S. File is corrupted or unsupported format." When I try discWelder CHROME II, I can't see any file to be dragged. It reqieres *.wld files. Please help me and provide guidelines for burning

vereen: I strongly suggest you read the discWelder Chrome manual...I've uploaded it in case you don't have it -- http://rapidshare.com/files/251048128/CHROME.pdf

But before authoring your DVD audio with DW, you must convert the flac files to waves...dbPoweramp is the only one I can recommend that will do so while keeping the hi-rez multichannel files "as source" -- which is the option you want to select for the conversion. Once you've done that, discWelder will recognize the wave files after you select the directory/folder in the left window. Refer to the the jpeg screen capture I included in the Scans folder that shows discWelder interface with the file directory on the left and the "Hotel California" wave files in the main window. The rest should be intuitive, but check the manual. Good luck!

Hi VanPelten....thanx 4 ur response and support...

@veeren: Before authoring MLP encoding is mandatory for DVD-A disc with 5.1 24bit/96Hz audio tracks.

@grill: as vereen indicated, he's using discWelder Chrome which does all the encoding during the authoring process once he drags & drops the wave files into the program's album group, there is no need to convert the wavs to mlp, DW Chrome does it for you. The authoring is accomplished from wave, aiff as well as mlp files. I don't know about other authoring programs and their requirements, but discWelder Chrome does it all...it's the cat's ass...:-)

@vereen: just follow the instructions in the DW Chrome manual, you'll be just fine.

@VanPelten: As far as I know DiscWelder Chrome II (v2.0.6) does not encode waw files to mlp during authoring. Without mlp encoding six channels of 24-bit, 96kHz Linear PCM audio has a data rate of 13.82 Mbps, which is much greater than the upper limit of 9.6 Mbps data throughput of the DVD-audio standard. MLP encoding can reduce the worst-case data rate to 9.6 Mbps, extending the playing time to the industry standard of 74+ minutes, as well as allowing bit-accurate high-resolution six-channel audio.

@VanPelten: Unlike your screenshot, in my Chrome the wav files are shown as "unsupported". I used FLAC GUI frontend to convert them to wav. Maybe FLAC does not set headers properly? Does anyone else have the same problem?

I listened to flac on my PC and it sounds awesome. I really appreciate it, but now I am trying to burn a DVD-A...

Has anyone succeeded in burning DVD-A with the new 6 CH files? I was under the same impression as grill that these had to be MLP-compressed beforehand to keep them under 9.6 Mbps, even with the DiscWelder.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

@lupin3: My method which is probably not the fastest one but it always works:
1. Foobar 2000: flac -> multi-channel wav
2. TranzCode_GUI: multi-channel wav -> 6 mono wavs
3. SurCode MLP Encoder: 6 mono wavs -> mlp
4. DiscWelder Chrome: mlp -> DVD-audio

Much thanks to VanPelten for a great upload.

@grill: That worked! Now I can pop it in my Acura.

Hey VanPelten: Can you post the artwork please (hi resolution if possible)...

the artwork (300 dpi) is included as part of the entire .rar package inside the "scans" folder.

Even plays with Foobar 2000 at 2.0, the quality is very good.
Thank you!

I"ve downed and redowned and downed part 5 (not the sample track, the ordered ones!)
again, and it errors out every time in 2 different mac programs.
Any suggestions that DON"T involve Windows?
Thanks!

@spencexxx: I wish I could help you, but I'm a dummy when it comes to Macs. However, I understand there are lots of Rar expanders for that platform...some of them freeware. I only know of Winrar for Mac, here's a link to downlad the trial which should work for you: http://en.softonic.com/s/winrar-mac:mac

@spencexxx

I have had NO problems on my Mac. Make sure your part 4 is not corrupted, part of the track in part 5 may begin in part 4. Everything downloads, expands just fine for me. Don't use WinRAR for Mac, unless you are a "power user", it is command line only. I usually use RarMachine or on occasion UnRarX to expand RAR's. Use XLD to send FLAC's to iTunes or use Audacity to create stereo mixdowns. Please feel free to PM me if you still have problems.

This has to be one of the best uploads on AvaxHome. After I burned it to disk this morning I popped it straight away into my music system. It just sounds SOOOOOOOOO good. Thanks VanPelten for this great upload.

hi vanPelten,
Thanx a lot for this wonderful work. However, after downloading all the 13 .rar parts, i put them in a folder and clicked 'extract to a specified folder'. It extrected the .rar file into hotcaldvda6ch folder. But only 5 songs could be extracted successfully ( life in the fast lane, wasted time, wasted time (reprise, victim of love and pretty maids all in a row). Other files got corrupted. A message came during extraction "G:\hotcaldvd6ch.part02.rar packed data CRC failed in 01. hotel california.flac. The volume is corrupt". another message read "CRC failed in 01. Hotel California.Flac. The file is corrupt". Similar messages cme for other corrupted songs also. Can u pls guide me to know, which .rar file out of those 13 downloaded files is corrupt? Or, do I need to download all the 13 files again? Your guidance will help me a lot in getting this lovely lovely album in full... Thanx, Rags

Nope, still no good.... redowned 4,5 and 6, used rarmachine, unrarx, commandline, and WINDOWS Winrar to no avial. I'm just going to delete and chalk it up to a waste of time. Glad everyone else is enjoying it though!

To anyone claiming that Discwelder Chrome converts wav files to mlp automatically the Chrome manual states explicitly:

"The DiscWelder CHROME II program does not include an MLP encoder, but it can import soundfiles that are MLP encoded."

I still don't understand why he refers to these supposed "DVD-A rips" as "DTS rips" in the headers. I wonder if he's actually converting the lossy dts tracks instead of the mlp tracks. Wouldn't that be funny...

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