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Genesis - Wind And Wuthering (1976) [SACD 24/96 Stereo Analogue Rip]
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LezDawson
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17 Mar 2010 08:15:00
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Genesis - Wind And Wuthering (1976) [SACD 24/96 Stereo Analogue Rip]
FLAC | No LOG (SACD) | CUE | Scans/Lyrics | 50:50 | 1.06 GB | RS
Progressive Rock
FLAC | No LOG (SACD) | CUE | Scans/Lyrics | 50:50 | 1.06 GB | RS
Progressive Rock
Progressive Genesis bites back, with songs like Eleventh Earl of Mar (complete with a storyline based on a Middle Ages figure) and Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers... In that Quiet Earth (often split into two parts.) The former sums up the album rather nicely, one part energetic prog onslaught of various keyboards, one part quiet, intimate soft-pop. And though his voice isn't as lively or versatile as Gabriel's, Collins does a good job. The latter is one of Genesis' best instrumentals, and where all the band members join together. Hackett and Collins specifically stand out, Hackett leading the song with a spacey guitar melody, who keeps relatively quiet on the album, besides some acoustic guitar playing, and manic drumming from Collins. Genesis' [largely ripped off by 80s and 90s prog bands] brand of elegant, sweeping progressive rock still maintains a large presence in the music on Wind and Wuthering.
1. Eleventh Earl of Mar
2. One for the Vine
3. Your Own Special Way
4. Wot Gorilla?
5. All in a Mouse's Night
6. Blood on the Rooftops
7. Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers...
8. ...In That Quiet Earth
9. Afterglow
In all honesty, I am not a fan of the 2007 remix/remasters for CD/SACD. The volume is maxed out, the compressor/limiter is working overtime, and the peaks are clipped as hell. The tracks have also been EQ'd very bright.
There has been much heated discussion about these masters on the official Genesis forum - with the audiophiles on the one side complaining of the brightness and compression and the loss of Genesis' musical dynamics to the "Loudness Wars," and on the other side devoted fans who simply love the new masters and can't hear what all the fuss is about.
Remix engineer Nick Davis also denies any use of excessive compression, and has stated that he is hurt by the criticisms.
But the visual displays of the files show otherwise: lots of dynamic clipping, just like the audiophile fans claimed they could hear. However, listening to the new vinyl masters of the Gabriel-fronted albums, shows that excessive compression is largely absent on those vinyl versions. So the clipping prevalent on the new CD/SACD releases is certainly a result of the awful CD/SACD mastering by Tony Cousins.
I hasten to add: the stereo SACD layer is still nicer than the 16-bit CD layer due to the improved resolution. Judge for yourself! :)
LezDawson
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@ Rob: Yeah, the delay was caused by my first player being defective and having to be sent back! My replacement arrived yesterday, hence my first rip now!
Gotta say, despite the bad source (in this case) my gear has done a nice ripping job! The rip sounds as good to my ears as the original. I'll be sharing more Genesis since this has proved incredibly popular.
We all look forward to more of your SACD rips to satisfy everyone's appetite for more high rez stuff. I know with your high standards and low tolerance for "remastered" crap we will be treated to only the best that modern digital formats are ALLOWED to provide.
@ everyone - Where is everyone's thanks, opinions and comments on this. This guy put in almost as much work in this rip as a vinyl ripper. (No de-clicking necessary, lucky bastard). Your comments are our only reward for sharing.
You're right, I have a very low tolerance for remastered crap - but unfortunately this IS remastered crap! I have been totally honest about it in my post though, as I knew many people will want to DL it anyway, and many won't agree that this sounds crap (compressed to fuck). Most SACDs sound crap to me. The Dylan Blonde On Blonde SACD sounds crap, compared to the Mastersound CD - because the majority of the sound quality we get is either won or lost at the mastering stage (assuming it's a good recording in the first place). If it's a loud, over-compressed, clipped master (like the Genesis ones) then it will still sound bad even on SACD. Happily there are some real audiophile SACDs out there too. Anyway, Trick Of The Tail next...
but I already got the aksman's vinyls (I would like to have them re-ripped with his recent set-up, maybe next Christmas ;) thanks to Dr. Robert upload...and I think I got this Tony's melotron/synthetizer attack already, not the SACD layer though... (not their good album either)
one question though, shouldn't you "burn-in" your recent musical toy? I think you should leave it playing for day-two-tree non-stop (1 CD, volume down, doesn't matter) before any grabbing for DAC to open more...
any musical equipment needs some time, some as much as 800 hours, gosh
@ SuperFuzz - I guess if your internet connection is too crappy to take advantage then there maybe is not much point to upgrading. But the main advantage is: no waiting for downloads to start, also up to 600kbps DL speeds (although, like you, that's more than my connection can do anyway), and I believe you can download up to 25GB in a single day - but once this 25GB quota has been used up, the account is just topped up again by about 5GB per day until the max is reached again. But you can convert free points into topping up more download allowance, or convert into more free months of having the account (10000 points = 1 month). I think 8000 premium points can be converted to 10000 free points. You can also convert premium points into rewards (like iPods, computer keyboards, T-shirts - whatever is on offer that month). Although strangely there don't appear to be any awards on offer at the moment, and I'm not sure why. Again, maybe someone else can enlighten us on that. But if you feel a premium account may be of use to you, then you will easily be able to fund it with just points, rather than cash. Mine is "paid up" for several months ahead, just from points I've made. You can buy a new premium account for (I think) 8000, or maybe 10000, free points. You may be able to transfer your accumulated points over to your new account too - but to be honest I'm not sure.
Premium awards are on hold now. Just click on the News link once in a while and you get all the details of what they are doing.
You can also use RS points to download, if you don't have any download allowance left. I'm not sure about the conversion rate there though.
And nice to be reminded of the 1/10th thing at night! Many of us do our really BIG DLs at night anyway, so that is really useful.
I did look at News but couldn't see anything about rewards - perhaps I need new glasses! I'll check again.
A question: not surround sound is a remix?; on scans I only read surround remix, on other format say only remastered.
I never listened this album, but really sound recording is very poor.
Thanks anyway.
The stereo remix was sub-mixed from the 5.1 mix.
* I use medieval cue splitter
Nothing is wrong with the cue. Medieval cue splitter is utter crap, you're not advised to use it. ;) It causes samples to be lost because the cuts are so inaccurate. There is loads of info on the net about that appalling software. CUETools is MUCH much better - perfectly accurate, works with all lossless formats - and is free.
However, this is a 24-bit file, so I recommend using Foobar2000 to split it, as CueTools won't work for 24-bit files. :)
If you want to burn it to CD, you must convert to 16-bit tracks - make sure dither is ON if converting to 16-bit, or OFF if keeping 24 bit.
If burning to DVD-A, you don't need to split the tracks. Just use DVD-Audio Solo (or similar) which works with the cue + image file.
If you just want to play it on your PC there is no need to split it.