Led Zeppelin II - Original US LP Mastered By Robert Ludwig, First Pressing (pbthal rip)

Thank for sharing a Robert Ludwig First Pressing.

^Guess you missed "Original rip 24-bit/192kHz > redbook" in the description.

Thank you very much vinylsplendor for taking the time and posting here.
Those posts will find a huge audience here , since 44.1/16 is most convenient for 90% of the people.



You were saying ? ;-)

Hmm... I wonder why you didn't post the 192khz version with this, I hope you dithered it properly when you converted it.

I would love to get my hands on pbthal's original vinyls...

CrewZ :)

Thanks for hearing my request, vinylsplendor!
Much appreciated!

Thanks a lot!
Well I am glad you decided to post it here and i don't care what the guy says...I mean, it is all 'owned' by someone else isn't it? Or is it?
I forget...
Cheers,
Fa

What's the story with your posts,vinylsplendor? Have you re-encoded these with flac?
The wavs match up with the files I have from Pbthal's post (192khz...) However,in Audition there are a couple peaks which differ from one another. How can re-encoding flacs,if that is what you indeed did,because the sizes do not match up on my end,cause a variation in the peaks or "dynamics"? Anyhow,thanks for the post.

Noooo sirrrr! This edition doesn't cut it. Till now, in the 44.1/16 segment, the Japs have done the best job with their SHM-CD version. The vocals & bass in nearly all Zep vinyl editions get mixed up with the lead, except in the SHM-CD edition. Frankly, this doesn't sound like a pb rip. Wondering...wondering...wondering...

PS: I really hope the Japs would come out with a stunning DVDA of this album.

Thanks for this, it sounds fantastic, everything I'd expected from the legendary pb! Don't let the jealous hens peck away at you for posting his bootlegs, the majority of us are very grateful.

@CrewZ
Gosh, big guy, while you're at it, ask him if the copyright holders gave HIM permission to release THEIR work...LOL! But it's good to know you're so tight with him, we're impressed. LOL!!

@electrotung - I had to reencode with flac, compression option 8, because a month earlier I'd decoded PB's flac files to wav and deleted the original flacs. Recompressing the wavs has absolutely no effect on the files, better recheck what you're doing. You'll also notice pb's original text file and artwork, untouched.

@amitnewyork - While you're wondering wondering wondering, why not go to P's, grab the torrent and get it for yourself. Uh, you DO have an invite, don't you? :D. Also, I consider your usage of the term "Japs" as derogatory as the n-word. Nice.

oh boy, great job but why you downsample to 44.1k-16b ?!? :-(

Posted By: vinylsplendor Date: 09 Aug 2009 16:39:45

@amitnewyork - While you're wondering wondering wondering, why not go to P's, grab the torrent and get it for yourself. Uh, you DO have an invite, don't you? :D. Also, I consider your usage of the term "Japs" as derogatory as the n-word. Nice.

I am a member at P's as are quite a few people here. Last I read re-upping a members torrents on another site is a bannable offense. Ass clown.

@ vinylsplendor - No sir, I don't have an invite. Neither do I desire to have one. My friends at some torrents, at my request, have forwarded me links to some of his posts from god knows where, and that's how I come to know about this guy. If you think having an invite to access pbthal's rips is a matter of pride, you can massage yourself with that thought forever. And why do you think the word "Japs" is derogatory like the n-word? The n-word refers to one's color, whereas Japs is only a short-form of "Japanese", an unmistakable reference to someone's geographical location. Since you are massaging yourself so hard, you are obviously out of focus and cannot tell the difference between the two. Posting all this music is not doing much good to your intelligence and awareness. So, when you get time off worshipping your God called pbthal, why don't you pick up some 4th grade books and start reading them for...uh..basic intelligence?

@jorgeluiz - vinylsplendor has already explained he didn't downsample the rips. Let's not crucify him over that matter.

And yes...thanks for the post...nevermind the useless arguments. Certain parts of the rip are actually good enough for me to not want to delete the folder.

jorggeluiz,

The poster vinylsplendor didn't downsample the release, pbthal did when he released the rip. He does that with all his transfers, for reasons only known to him. Before totally condemning the practice, consider the fact that vinyl rips recorded at 192kHz, even when dithered and downsampled to 16/44.1, are still superior to vinyl originally ripped at 16/44.1. Vinyl can reproduce frequencies beyond 40kHz, especially with the kind of gear pbthal uses.

Would I prefer them at his originally ripping sampling rate? You bet!! But even at 16/44.1, most of his releases are superior to many others ripped at higher rates.

@amitnewyork - better head back to 1st grade my friend, because your ignorance is showing:

"Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is regarded as an ethnic slur, though English-speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

I don't need wikipedia to tell me what should be offensive or acceptable! Maybe "you" want to use it as your lifestyle guide. It's this herd following mentality that is the cause of rising intolerance among communities. Everyone looks at others to learn what should be right or wrong without using their own heads. This discussion is getting ridiculous, dude. So, let's knock it off :) This is not the place for such topics.

Hey,thanks vinylsplendor for your explanation as regards my post. Music is love. Love thy neighbor. :)

@amitnewyork - We live in such sensitive times, I may have overreacted to your use of the term. More sensitive for me in this case, because my sister-in-law is of Japanese background. I don't believe you meant that as a slur and you're right, this is no place for such discussions. Just understand where I was coming from.

@Electrotung - Thanks for your comment, I should have added my explanation to the post description. Music IS love and that's what it's all about here, the rest is just nonsense. I didn't realize my posts from one of the better needledroppers around would be the cause of such hostility. Too many people get loaded for bear over nothing but sharing music. I don't have any vested interest other than sharing.

peace

Sharing is what this site is all about dude. Please continue to do so, and lend a deaf ear to those who ask you otherwise. As long as you make satisfactory disclosures, I guess all should be fine. Btw, throw some light on this guy p. Who is he, and what he does? In order to post so much HQ music, this guy must be near his retirement age, and moneyed enough not to be worried about future security. I am usually not interested in vinyl rips, but this guy's work is awesome. I can certainly make room for his work. Your Donald Fagen post was really cool. Thanks again for sharing.

No problem, civilised people can always resolve differences and misunderstandings, sometimes. :)

If you're referring to pbthal, like Dr. Ebbetts, his bootlegs are transfers of ultra high quality, ultra rare vinyl that are generally distributed through torrent trackers. Unlike Dr. E. who makes no bones about his 16/44.1 transfers, pbthal claims to rip at 24/192 but distributes exclusively as redbook. I don't have a clue why or how, but they sound really fine. His Beatles needle drops are exceptional.

Now if you meant the "P's" I deviously refer to in my intro, it's a "super-exclusive" torrent tracker that much prefers flying under the radar. It's difficult to get an invite, but they do accept monetary donations to join. :) Even fewer people would have heard of them until pbthal got there, though he still does some subsets at the demon. I would REALLY be breaching their rules and trust of some decent people if I posted their name and url. As for my posting pbthal's stuff I get from there, he clearly states, and I'm quoting from his post on BootlegZone:

"I don't include the 'do not upload elsewhere.txt' in my rips and I do not have a problem with anyone uploading my stuff provided they use the same info.txt file as the description and they use current releases."

As long as people are downloading my shares of his rips, I'll keep posting them. I welcome others who have been enjoying his excellent work to do so as well. There's another one in the pipeline right now, waiting for approval.

@ amitnewyork
vinylsplendor post (pbthal work): Original rip 24-bit/192kHz => Redbook 16-bit/44,1kHz ...then, was downsampled from 24b/192k to 16b/44.1k!!!
but read my next words please...:-)

@ luwhuo
i had this version of L.Zep a long time ago.
is the BEST version ever and so precious to only burn a redbook.
knowing about the quality, my target is to encode DVD-A and not redbook(16b/44.1k)
to do DVD-A from 16b/44.1k, is needed to change the bitdept to 24b and upsample to 88.2k(or96k) BUT
if he had posted in 24-bit/192kHz....can you imagine the quality of the DVD-A ?!? ;-)

but i thanks the uploader in the same way, cheers all! :-)
great album!

There are no differences man. It's all in the mind...stuff made up of illusions.

Yeah...I was inquiring about pbthal. Torrents don't interest me. I don't think they are safe. I was nearly bitten by a viral torrent once, and decided there and then not to download another one in my life. I spend heavy money on my PC, and cannot afford to let some idiot screw it. Thru my good Russian & Korean friends, I have access to some private sites & ftp folders with limited membership. It's there I came across pbthal's rips first. Seem to be very popular. Unfortunately, I don't like most of whatever music pbthal posts. I find overly vocal rock bands like Beatles & Queen boring. Will check out what you are gonna share next.

I might add about the place "P"'s: There no longer exists the method to gain an invite via donation. Pbthal has been posting solely at demonoid for a couple months now.

So that is a boon for alot of folks who don't have a membership elsewhere.
Yeah,it is sure nice of him to not care if someone would wish to upload his works elsewhere.

Cheers! with some good Gyokuro Imp. green tea and later a couple cold Dogfish Head 60-min IPA's & whatever you're having,it's on the house. :)

@Electrotung - Au contraire, but unfortunately for too many folks, according to the latest pbthal sighting, he posts his newest stuff at P's with a small subset to the demon. Which is why I'm posting whatever I like of his here. If you're so inclined, make your own pb gems available to the good people at Avaxhome as I have. And if you don't mind, make mine Kingfisher. "-D

@amitnewyork - what you said, I couldn't agree more :)

Let me start by saying a big thank you.
I saw the post and thought we have an excellent version already. I wonder what our resident experts have to say. Wow. I wished I hadn't, nearly:).
Great to have different copies as we each have slightly different opinions on the sound of each. Brilliant. Thanks again Sir.
The term Sir is used as I do not know your gender and as an ageing Englishman I was taught to refer to the unknown gender in the masculine. (pre-political correctness)
Is the correct term now "Sir, Madam or Undecided"?

@all

There's been a couple of other posts on this site of pbthal's rips. I don't think he minds much as long as he's give credit (as he is here), and the actual rip isn't tampered with. I can ask him if there's any doubt. I would never have discovered his other rips without seeing his Quadraphonic DSotM posted here, so I don't really see the problem.

RE: the Led Zep SHM-CDs... they aren't great. I've compared a couple against pbthal's rips against their SHM-CD counterparts, and this one REALLY blew the SHM-CD away. So assuming this one hasn't been tampered with, and the transcoding was pure, then this is easily the best version of Zep II that I've ever heard.

Let me first say that I'm NOT a vinyl person, I don't own any LPs anymore, and I've always been a huge fan of digital music.

That said, I must admit that the vinyl needle-drop of the Ludwig LZ II is the best I've heard.

I actually like the SHM CDs - I think it's undeniable that the Jimmy Page remasters have many sonic improvements.

HOWEVER, at least for LZ II, the Ludwig mix is really clean. I don't know if it's Ludwig, or the vinyl needle-drop, but whatever it is, there's more excitement, seemingly faster attack of transients, and so forth, than on any of the CD versions.

One final, interesting note: I do NOT find this improvement via the pbthal 16/44.1 transcode posted here. But I did find a torrent of a 24/96 needle drop done by someone else with excellent equipment and no EQ, and on THAT version I really hear the difference.

YMMV of course. But that's my $.02.

Ugh, I hear the word remasters, and now SHM CD's which in most cases uses remasters, and I think Loudness brick walled Wars!!!

pewy pewy yuck yuck...

Just my 2¢,

CrewZ :)

The Price is Perfect!!!! Many Thanks To You !

links are blocked :(

hi, Im searching buy led z... so simple question for an audiophile of the popular rock band...

Whats the best versions in CD of led z... of course Im talking about the sound!

CD
this box:
http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Collection-Mini-LP-Replica/dp/B001FSDP08/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1281600289&sr=1-15

or same box but in SHM JAPAN?
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/news/article/808130073/

1994 versions:
http://www.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelin-1/dp/B000002J01/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1281600713&sr=1-1

this other box:
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Studio-Recordings-Led-Zeppelin/dp/B000002IWP/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1281600777&sr=1-3

or? what other version on CD?

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VINYL
original 1st UK issues?

200GRAMs vinyls?

or???

help!!!! audiophiles!

thanks