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Milli Vanilli – All Or Nothing

Posted By : amitnewyork | Date : 21 Nov 2009 16:33:45 | Comments : 15 |
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Milli Vanilli – All Or Nothing
Pop | 1988 | Hansa (Germany) | 13 Tracks | 51:14 | dB 13.3 Ultra-Secure Rip
Tracks + Tags + Log | No Cue | FLAC : 350 MB | HQ MP3 : 114 MB | Artwork : 1.66 MB




Track List:
1. "Can't You Feel My Love" – 3:32
2. "Boy In The Tree" – 3:10
3. "Money" – 4:09
4. "Dance With A Devil" – 3:12
5. "I'm Gonna Miss You" – 3:59
6. "All Or Nothing" – 3:19
7. "Baby Don't Forget My Number" – 4:09
8. "Dreams To Remember" – 3:56
9. "Is It Love" – 3:22
10. "Ma Baker" – 4:24
11. "Girl You Know It's True (Maxi Version - Super Club Mix)" – 8:08
12. "Hush" – 3:12
13. "Too Much Monkey Business (Maxi Version - Bonus Track)" – 1:48


About the album:
Trivia time. Milli Vanilli's first album was never released in its original incarnation in America. That album was called All or Nothing, and the bulk of it was used as the basis for the smash-hit American album Girl You Know It's True. Its title was also used for the 1990 effort The Remix Album, which went gold in the U.S. -- proof positive that Milli Vanilli was really a phenomenon. So, there was a bit of confusion, since both All or Nothing and Girl You Know It's True looked like variations on the same album, which was kind of true and kind of not. Either way, Girl was a stronger album, better sequenced and boasting a better set of songs. All or Nothing does have four of the big hits -- "Baby Don't Forget My Number," "Girl You Know It's True," "I'm Gonna Miss You," and, of course, the title track (all Top Five U.S. singles, by the way) -- but it's missing the fine Diane Warren ballad "Blame It on the Rain," which was the key ingredient that sent this set of trashy Eurodisco into the American stratosphere. The album cuts here tend to emphasize that Eurotrash side of the group -- the schlock Americana gangster fantasy "Ma Baker," the mechanical dance reworking of Deep Purple's "Hush" that strips out almost all the hooks, the plain weird imagery of the featherweight "Boy in the Tree" -- which may have given away the game if included on the American effort. All of this makes All or Nothing a more interesting and funnier set than its U.S. counterpart, but it's not as much fun, since it indulges in the worse tendencies of Europop. Unlike the U.S. audience, which really values a knockout hook, Europop fans don't always mind when style overrides structure, so there are many cuts where the beat takes prominence over the melody, and there are other parts that really drag underneath the robotic beats. But these are the very reasons why All or Nothing is worth listening to in light of the lip-synching scandal that happened. In this context, the hits sound like classic Euro-dance cuts, where it just doesn't matter who is singing or not -- all that matters is the sound. So, no, it's not as good an album as the reshuffled and restructured Girl You Know It's True, but this is where you can hear the roots of the scandal that later toppled frontmen Rob and Fab. ~Stephen Thomas Erlewine (AMG)


About the Artists:
Milli Vanilli. The mere mention of the name still calls up the same derision it did when the dance-pop duo's career came to a sudden and ignominious end: Fakers. Frauds. A blatant marketing scam. Their story has been retold countless times: after selling millions of records, Rob Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan were revealed to be models who publicly lip-synced to tracks recorded by anonymous studio vocalists. They became the first act ever stripped of a Grammy award and came to symbolize everything people disliked about dance-pop: it was so faceless that every musician involved could remain anonymous without anyone knowing the difference, so mechanical and artificial that the people who constructed it had to hire models to give it any human appeal, so pandering and superficial that people bought it just for its attachment to a pretty face. Whether that assessment was fair or not, it was beyond easy to hold Milli Vanilli in contempt. Yet for all the scapegoating, they were far from the only dance-pop act to be fronted by lip-syncers in the late '80s (the Martha Wash-voiced Black Box and C+C Music Factory spring to mind), nor were they the only Europop act to employ similar marketing tactics. (They were simply the most successful and visible, since their incorporation of rap made them more appealing to Americans.) What's more, pop music had a long tradition of hits recorded by anonymous studio musicians, dating back to '50s instrumental combos and '60s bubblegum. Milli Vanilli had the bad luck to get caught in a hoax during the extraordinarily image-conscious MTV era and a time when dance music of any stripe was accorded virtually no critical respect anyway, before its producers were perceived as the real creative points of focus. It's not as though Milli Vanilli were acclaimed for their honesty of expression before the scandal broke; it's more likely that what fueled the backlash was public resentment over Rob and Fab's celebrity (why should they be famous if they couldn't sing?) and embarrassment over the fact that Milli Vanilli's marketing had worked like a charm on everyone right up through the Grammy committee.

Milli Vanilli was the brainchild of German producer Frank Farian, who'd previously masterminded the European disco group Boney M. and the session-musician rock outfit Far Corporation. Seeking to fuse European dance-pop with elements of American rap, Farian assembled a number of session musicians and vocalists, including rapper Charles Shaw (an Army veteran) and two middle-aged American singers living in Germany, Johnny Davis and Brad Howell (some accounts give his name as Howe). Realizing that he had a marketable record but a distinctly unmarketable image, Farian hired two aspiring models and former breakdancers, Rob Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan, to pretend to be the group in videos, concerts, interviews, and the like. Pilatus had been born in New York in 1965, but grew up in Munich, spending some time in an orphanage after his parents (an American soldier and German stripper) gave him up for adoption. Morvan was born in 1966 on the island of Guadeloupe, lived in Miami for a time, and moved with his mother to Paris; he had been a skilled trampoline athlete until he suffered a neck injury in a fall. Both skilled dancers, the two had met sometime circa 1984 (differing accounts list their meeting place as Munich, Paris, or Los Angeles) and were attempting to make it as singers, dancers, models, or whatever they could. Their exotic look and long dreadlock extensions were just what Farian was looking for.

Milli Vanilli's first album, All or Nothing, was released in Europe in 1988 and was an instant success. Retitled Girl You Know It's True (after the lead single) and trimmed a bit, the record was issued in the U.S. in early 1989. Its catchy, lightweight pop-rap proved equally popular with American audiences; "Girl You Know It's True" raced up the pop charts to number two, and the next three Milli Vanilli singles -- "Baby Don't Forget My Number," the ballad "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You," and the Diane Warren-penned "Blame It on the Rain" -- all hit number one. Despite near-universal critical distaste (Farian's productions often recycled the same sounds and drum tracks), Girl You Know It's True sold an astounding seven million copies in the U.S. alone; internationally, Milli Vanilli sold approximately 30 million singles. In December 1989, as the fifth single "All or Nothing" was climbing the charts on its way to the Top Five, rapper Charles Shaw revealed to a New York reporter that Pilatus and Morvan had not actually sung any vocals on the album. Shaw quickly retracted his statements (apparently paid off by Farian to keep quiet), claiming that they were merely a PR stunt for his own album. Milli Vanilli was soon nominated for a Grammy award for Best New Artist, even though the rumors continued to swirl. And in early 1990, they won it, for the record beating out the Indigo Girls, Neneh Cherry, Soul II Soul, and Tone-Loc.

Success (or at least fame) was beginning to go to the duo's heads, particularly Pilatus, who was given to extreme mood swings and erratic behavior, and developed a cocaine problem. In an interview with Time magazine, Pilatus compared himself and Milli Vanilli favorably to Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, and Mick Jagger, and was roundly ridiculed for his statements. Additionally, Pilatus and Morvan had been pressuring Farian to let them sing all the vocals on the next Milli Vanilli album. Exasperated with them, Farian exposed the whole scheme in November 1990 and the public was furious. Pilatus and Morvan were stripped of their Grammy (ironically, the committee had justified its vote by citing the duo's "visual impact"), and a class-action suit was filed against Arista Records, allowing anyone who believed they'd been defrauded into purchasing the group's records to apply for a rebate. Arista dropped the group and deleted Girl You Know It's True from their catalog, making it the biggest-selling album ever taken out of print.

In 1991, Farian attempted to re-form Milli Vanilli with the original session vocalists (including female backup singer Gina Mohammed), this time crediting them and billing them as the Real Milli Vanilli, while also adding a Pilatus/Morvan look-alike named Ray Horton. However, the resulting Moment of Truth album flopped. Pilatus, meanwhile, was unable to deal with the sudden fall from grace; after mixing alcohol and prescription drugs, he slashed one of his wrists in a Los Angeles hotel, then called police and reporters to the scene, where he had to be removed from the balcony he was threatening to jump off of. Attempting to prove that they really could sing if given the chance, Pilatus and Morvan regrouped in 1993 as Rob & Fab; however, with their credibility damaged beyond repair, their self-titled debut reportedly sold only 2,000 copies total, despite an appearance on The Arsenio Hall Show. Farian had also attempted yet another album, this time renaming his group Try 'N' B and retooling the lineup again to enhance its visual appeal (which meant discarding the original singers); however, Sexy Eyes also stiffed. From there, Pilatus hit rock bottom. Beginning in 1995, he was arrested for several separate incidents in Los Angeles involving assaults (including one man he attacked with a metal lamp base), vandalism, and attempting to break into a car. Convicted of four different misdemeanors, he was sentenced to several months in jail in 1996, and did the first of numerous stints in drug rehab centers for his cocaine addiction. Pilatus eventually returned to Germany; in April 1998, his body was found in a Frankfurt hotel room after he mixed a fatal combination of pills and alcohol. Morvan continues to pursue a solo career. ~Steve Huey (AMG)


Extraction Log
dBpoweramp Release 13.3 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 19 November 2009 8:58 PM

Drive & Settings
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AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: No, Cache: 1024 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 3, Max Passes: 5, Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8 -verify

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 32 to 15990 (3:32) in 0:15. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 01 - Can't You Feel My Love.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 78DE17F5 AccurateRip CRC: 9D37A31A [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-1]

Track 2: Ripped LBA 15990 to 30267 (3:10) in 0:09. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 02 - Boy in the Tree.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: C2DEA55F AccurateRip CRC: D1E84804 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-2]

Track 3: Ripped LBA 30267 to 48992 (4:09) in 0:11. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 03 - Money.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: C97FC9AC AccurateRip CRC: D4C4585A [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-3]

Track 4: Ripped LBA 48992 to 63445 (3:12) in 0:07. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 04 - Dance with a Devil.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 8BDE66E6 AccurateRip CRC: 3B87B56E [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-4]

Track 5: Ripped LBA 63445 to 81595 (4:02) in 0:09. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 05 - I'm Gonna Miss You.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3F144BBF AccurateRip CRC: 849EC729 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-5]

Track 6: Ripped LBA 81595 to 96867 (3:23) in 0:07. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 06 - All or Nothing.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 692ECFC0 AccurateRip CRC: DAFFE33C [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-6]

Track 7: Ripped LBA 96867 to 115610 (4:09) in 0:08. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 07 - Baby Don't Forget My Number.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 086AF0C8 AccurateRip CRC: F9105096 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-7]

Track 8: Ripped LBA 115610 to 133360 (3:56) in 0:07. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 08 - Dreams to Remember.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 22158FE6 AccurateRip CRC: 32019EA7 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-8]

Track 9: Ripped LBA 133360 to 148545 (3:22) in 0:06. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 09 - Is It Love.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3D912B02 AccurateRip CRC: D48A48B9 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-9]

Track 10: Ripped LBA 148545 to 168380 (4:24) in 0:08. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 10 - Ma Baker.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 3) [Pass 1]
CRC32: BE900DA1 AccurateRip CRC: CE7EEE1A [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-10]

Track 11: Ripped LBA 168380 to 208080 (8:49) in 0:15. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 11 - Girl You Know It's True (Super Club Mix).flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 36D2D609 AccurateRip CRC: 2CC2F580 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-11]

Track 12: Ripped LBA 208080 to 222502 (3:12) in 0:05. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 12 - Hush.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 4) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3246E1D8 AccurateRip CRC: 77EEE50A [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-12]

Track 13: Ripped LBA 222502 to 230607 (1:48) in 0:05. Filename: C:\Downloads\Uploads\Milli Vanilli\All or Nothing\Milli Vanilli - All or Nothing - 13 - Too Much Monkey Business -.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 442B62E5 AccurateRip CRC: 2923D815 [DiscID: 013-0017de70-00f2605b-c60c020d-13]

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13 Tracks Ripped Accurately





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Posted By: Blue61 Date: 21 Nov 2009 18:44:14
Thank you very much from Spain.
Muchas gracias !!!
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 21 Nov 2009 18:48:43
De nada Señor
Posted By: fizz7777 Date: 22 Nov 2009 01:36:18
This is a transcode from mp3. Shame on you.
Posted By: rrika Date: 22 Nov 2009 02:25:38
Now I know the reason why I couldn't find this one on CD in Colombia, only "The Remix Album": Sonolux released this album in Colombia on LP format, through a long-time deal with Spanish Ariola-BMG. But in the 80's and 90's it seems BMG only released American CD releases. AT LAST! Thanks fron Barranquilla, Colombia.
Posted By: Spanky2 Date: 22 Nov 2009 05:47:03
Thanks a lot!
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 22 Nov 2009 07:06:15
@ fizz7777 : Yeah. And I have mp3 converted to FLAC and mp3 itself posted side by side? You moron! Obviously you can't tell the difference between an mp3 and flac.
Posted By: Lusitano Date: 22 Nov 2009 10:04:15
just wanted to say that "audiochecker" 1.2 or 2.0 beta is not a program you can really trust, sorry !!
I tried with a rip I did with eac, and it says my rip is 90% mpeg !!!! WTF ??
audiochecker is not something you can trust, he only checks if the Hz is up to 20khz, and of course, not every cd mix can be up to 20khz, just because of the mix !
by the way, thanks for sharing amitnewyork, my girlfriend will be thrilled with this :D
Posted By: fizz7777 Date: 22 Nov 2009 19:29:50
I now have this SAME CD downloaded from another music tracker, and it passes 100% CDDA with Audio Checker. The program is not fail-safe, but it'll get it right most of the time. When SOME tracks are MPEG, then you could say it's a bad mastering process, Audio Checker is crap, lack of high frequency output problem etc. When MOST or ALL tracks are MPEG then it's defo a transcode. I'm not saying you purposely transcoded mp3 into FLAC, but you may have ripped from a pirate or non-retail CD, which was itself sourced from some mp3 files. BTW I worked as a sound engineer so I know what I'm talking about. And why the hell did you put the accurate rip logo when your upload isn't even recognized in the Accurate Rip database? That's FURTHER proof that this one is absolutely fishy. Real lossless fans, DON'T TOUCH THIS ONE!

Not recognized by Accurate Rip as a retail CD:

[Verification date: 11/23/2009 3:51:40 AM]
[Disc ID: 0017dcb0-00f2533c-ca0c020d]
Disk not present in database.

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Posted By: 1541-II Date: 23 Nov 2009 09:27:31
to fizz7777

Can you post the alternative link please. I really don't want to download another mp3s presented as lossless. Many users here do not check their music. This is at lest 15th time I have come across LOSSY quality over here. Yes, I'm talking about the cases when ALL tracks withing the album output MPEG 95 % in True Audio checker - definite MP3 fakes no discussion about that whatsoever.
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 23 Nov 2009 11:39:41
I waste one hour of my life ripping the CD, scanning the images, and posting it on this forum, and then come across idiot like you. You're a sound engineer? You probably don't know the difference between impedance and frequency. What kind of sound engineer uses junk software like Audiochecker? Please go somewhere else. This is not a forum for people like you.

@ 1541-II : Instead of following the fools, why don't you download first parts of both FLAC and MP3 rars, extract same track in both FLAC and MP3, listen to it, and feel the difference yourself?

Well... maybe I should just learn to ignore you trolls, getting good stuff for free, and then complaining...
Posted By: fizz7777 Date: 23 Nov 2009 20:51:17
Hey buddy, you should watch your language - you've already called me a moron, an idiot & a fool, when all I'm making is a technical point that these files are transcodes.

This isn't a criticism of you as an uploader and generous sharer of your music, or even doubting your honesty and good intentions, but a warning to others that if they're looking for a REAL lossless copy of this album, this isn't it. Many many downloaders will be perfectly happy with these files, just not me or any other serious FLAC collectors.

And as you can see I didn't resort to personal insults at ANY stage. You're the guy that posted fake files (maybe unwittingly), so what does that make you? Maybe you should grow up a bit.
Posted By: i4i Date: 24 Nov 2009 06:43:08
@ fizz7777

Puh-leez! If you want the real thing, I suggest you go out and buy the damn album. Don't bitch when you're getting it for free.
BTW I also think you're a moron.
Posted By: amitnewyork Date: 24 Nov 2009 08:14:28
Didn't mean to insult you. Sorry. But whatever technical reasons you are presenting are horseshit. If you were really a sound engineer, you'd know better how to analyze frequency spectrums to determine if the audio stream has been manipulated. Moreover, you really don't have to be a sound engineer to know about sound. If you were really honest about learning these things, you'd search them on the net or buy a book about it. There's plenty of material available. But you don't want to do all that hard work. It's certainly easy to pile shame on others for your own shortcomings. Isn't it? Let's not extend this argument any further than this, man. We can't communicate. You're not even honest to yourself, how will you ever be to others? Had you asked me a technical question on my post instead of criticizing me straight away, I'd have loved to share with you all that I know. But, that's not the case, unfortunately.

BTW, in case you didn't know, both CRC32 strings and Accuraterip database are technically flawed. Google them and see what you find.
Posted By: Lusitano Date: 25 Nov 2009 11:51:25
"amitnewyork said :
BTW, in case you didn't know, both CRC32 strings and Accuraterip database are technically flawed"

Well I couldn't say better !!

Accurate Rip is useless nowadays !!!
we all have good CD-R and/or DVD-R, and we don't use win98 anymore !!
and BTW, fizz77, you said you're an sound ingeneer (me too hahaha)
I can trick every audiochecker you'll show me !! BBE is my friend muahhahahahahahaha!!!
Audichecker told me my rip was 95% mpeg !!!! its a brand new CD bought in Switzerland, 2006 remaster !

Amitnewyork is providing music "as is" for free,
maybe you should learn to simply say : " Thanks for sharing "
Not so difficult !!
BTW transcoded flac from mp3 are easily "spottable", it's easy when you got ears !!
no need audiochecker, useless !!
Posted By: bizznizz Date: 27 Nov 2009 17:59:22
If you had posted this upload on any private music tracker (I can't mention names for legal reasons,but think of W, W , P, E and others), you would have gotten a warning or even a ban for posting transcodes. Whether you knew that they were or not, the penalty still applies. Avaxhome is quite a relaxed and tolerant place, but you can see they're trying to cut out abuse and cheating too.

I've been following this argument for a few days now, and I'm mega pissed at how some of you twits behaved towards fizz on this forum. Now there's a guy whos shared a total of 458 CD's of his own (that I know of) in various music trackers, all of the ones I've downoaded are genuine and they all pass the Audio Checker test as 100% CDDA - not bad for such a shit program. Maybe it's because he buys his CD's from proper retail outlets, something you morons should do before posting your garbage here and pretending it's the real thing.

Having known fizz for a few years now through various music trackers, I know that he checks files with Audio Checker first to save time, but if there's a doubt he'll run a full spectrum frequency analysis test, both in software and hardware, to re-check the results. To assume that he's lying about his expertise just shows how childish some people are. I've actually SEEN the results of his tests, so I know it's true. He's not a sound engineer now, but he was in the 80's and early 90's, some of the albums he worked on are right here in this site (no I'm not gonna reveal his idendity by saying which ones). What he knows what sound processing is far far more than you or I could ever hope to ever know in our lifetime. It's unfair to condemn a guy this way when he's actually the one who's doing THE RIGHT THING, by trying to maintain good quality lossless files in Avaxhome.

And saying that just because it's free people should shut up and lump it, that just doesn't wash with me. I mean you can get free dog shit in a pavement near your house, but you're not gonna bring it home just because you didn't pay for it. Nowadays there's much to be gained by having people download from you, whether it be extra ratio (as in private trackers), extra points or even monetary gains. So if you want people to download your stuff, make sure it's the genuine article and provide a good quality upload. I mean if somebody says I'm getting steak and after a bite I find out it's a burger, I'm gonna get a bit upset right?

As for what you found in Google, well you're really clutching at straws now. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world use the Accurate Rip database, only to be told by little miss spoilt brat here that it's incorrect or flawed. Fact is, you can google any result you want for any subject, for f*'s sake you can even find a site that says that kennedy was shot by his grandma if you look hard enough! You simply chose to totally ignore THE MAJORITY positive comments and pick the NEGATIVE one that suited your needs. This 'I know I'm wrong but am going to win this argument at all costs' attitude is totally immature. And all the little girlies here who helped to prop up your silly excuses should be ashamed too.

The thing about Fizz, and the kind of guy he is, he'd never ever stoop so low as you donkeys and insult anybody, he really only cares about music. As for myself, I don't really give a shit cause you guys are amator jerks, and complete idiots too.

@Lusitano - Es um grande palerma.
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