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Yes - 90125 (1983) [2009. 24K Gold HDCD AFZ063]
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18 Oct 2009 09:12:00
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Yes - 90125 (1983) [2009. 24K Gold HDCD AFZ063]
Progressive Rock | EAC Rip | wv cue log covers | 383MB
Audio Fidelity / AFZ 063
Progressive Rock | EAC Rip | wv cue log covers | 383MB
Audio Fidelity / AFZ 063
• 24k Gold CD
• Limited Uniquely Numbered Edition
• HDCD
• From original master tapes
• Mastered by Steve Hoffman
| “ | One of the 80's best albums! With the 1983 release of 90125 Yes pulled off one of the greatest comebacks in rock history. The album is notable for marking a radical shift in style, with Yes largely trading in their trademark 1970s symphonic progressive rock sound for contemporary, synthesized 1980s pop. The lead single, "Owner of a Lonely Heart," became #1 in the US and drove the album into the Top 5 helping it sell three million units during a chart stay of 53 weeks, by far Yes's most successful album. Other top-ten-heavy-airplay tracks include "Hold On", "It Can Happen", "Leave It", "Changes" and "Cinema" won the 1984 Grammy for the best rock instrumental. 90125 is their eleventh album and the first album since the breakup in 1980. It's the first album to feature Trevor Rabin, the return of vocalist Jon Anderson and marked the first time in twelve years that original keyboardist Tony Kaye had appeared with the group. Even with a new musical approach, the heart and soul of Yes still remains firmly intact on this unique work of pop-art-rock. To quote a line from "Owner Of A Lonely Heart," it will excite, it will delight | ” |
Audio Fidelity's 24K+ series brings you classic music in deluxe packaging with see through slip cases (ala DCC), using original graphics, all beautifully reproduced. Audio Fidelity only uses the original two track master tape which is played back on a specifically constructed vintage tube playback deck. Here's where the plus (+) comes in: The analog masters are put through AF's new proprietary A/D converter which adds true "breath of life" to the music, making the new 24K+ Gold CD series the best sounding music you can buy, period!
Tracklist:
1. Owner of a Lonely Heart
2. Hold On
3. It Can Happen
4. Changes
5. Cinema
6. Leave It
7. Our Song
8. City of Love
9. Hearts
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Thanks for this superb version!
Here is the freq response of both files after leveling..the AF is in green, mine in red...the response is pretty much the same except for a bit more bass and high end on my rip and more upper-mids in the AF. You wouldnt expect the "dull" lifeless rip to have more highs..but heck what do I know heh.
Frequency Response
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/50/ownernb.jpg
That brings us to my rips total lack of full-range dynamics....here is an image of the AF waveform
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5678/ownera.jpg
And here is the lifeless pbthal rip waveform once level matched by adding 3db per side
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5414/ownerb.jpg
nuff said
P*t*a*l is a darn good needledropper, and none (or almost none) say otherwise. But no apologies are necessary for not slobbering over every one of his rips. Or do we leave our critical faculties at the Door of Worship? :->
Comments such as thanking an uploader or finding an error on their posting is one thing; slamming an uploader on someone else's post is exactly what it is...slamming another uploader.
Why can't a person make the comment directly to the original uploader [face to face], not somewhere else on another uploaders post.
Most HDCD's are too hot for my taste, but I still won't make a negative comment to someone who took the time to share their rip with this community. If don't like a certain master/remaster I just don't download it or make a judgement. But then, that's me.
there's simply more information encoded to 16bits, playing it on HDCD enabled player will reveal it to you, but having a "20bit wav file" requires mentioned utility...the sound is simply better afterwards
@ musicalbox: doesn't the HDCD decoding have to be done during the ripping stage? I know dbPoweramp can decode HDCD to 24bit wave.
As for criticizing the sound on someones needledrop, I think people make too much fuss about it. I've invited people to comment and criticize my needledrops, negative reactions don't bother me. Few people commented at all, probably because of the non commercial stuff I was needledropping.
The advantage of HDCD is, that the additional sonic information is "encoded to 16 bits", so if you grabbed "red book layer" you have it there, you grabbed HDCD, but is still encoded - hidden. Disadvatage is that SACD can store even more information (24bits if I'm not wrong), but is imposibble to grab via EAC, only via CD out->A/D->PC...(or using HDMI out I think aksman used that)
The problem is, playing basic grabbed file or burning it on CD and playing it in majority CD players, they'll play only 16 bits. Or comparing "basic 16bits wav" which GoP tried to do.
To hear real HDCD (and why it shines compared to LPs) you need to have HDCD compatible player, or you need to play it in MS Media Player (as MS bought licence) on Windows but only burned on CD (not directly from wav). MS Media player will show a HDCD icon when particular CD is played, meaning it _can_ decode it when this option is enabled in settings.
and it is never 24 bit wave, it is only 20 bits.
my preffered option is to do "20 bits wav" file from it, via mentioned utility...as I have HTPC rig.
exactly, I like critisicing as well (I'm harsh critic myself), as this offers an oppinion, somewhat what is lacking here (many ppl get mad about so many LPs, that I delete on first listen as they simply sound aweful - not necessarily "ripper" fault, LPs tend to suck in production compared to CDs).
Also,doesn't Foobar2000 have a plug-in to decode the HDCD layer to a 24bit wav?
Maybe someone can communicate this to PB so he'll be a leetle bit better informed and a leetle less smug, no?
and it is 20bit wav :)
I'll get some sleep then I post link to utility & forums for ppl to read and get "more music" from their HDCD collection.
Supposedly this cd was a flat transfer bypassing the mastering console...
egos down, we all should get some reasoning, I like comments here as sometimes we can really (objectively) compare 2 records, but it's hard in 70% of other cases haha
I personally haven't downloaded yours release as I don't like "dithering to 16 bits" (I hardly can stand A/D conversion and amps processing, which gives character to any record based on the parameters of particular needledrop eq, ampflifiers mostly - warm, precise, fast, open...etc) so I can't compare, but at least I feel that this record was unchanged, so it is my preferred choice.
and so far I've beed quite happy with HDCDs releases, they really sound better than red-book-only-layer (not just louder, there's more bass etc), guess I'm digital guy ;D
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=66233
I guess that means you can use it with a 24bit capable soundcard,as 20-bit is somewhat wonky,aside from native HDCD decoding via hardware. Thanks for the tip.
... still , I can't understand how someone can possibly attack PBthal and his rips.
Sure , the idea of downsampled audio doesn't sound so good to me too , but thank God I have some ears and I prefer to trust those rather than complaining.
The point is : PBthal rips (and in general vinyl rips) have a clarity especially in the treble, that I never found in any cd.
So thanks Pbthal for your work , and thanks to the uploader for this , so that we can compare.
PS - How can someone still discuss about this all , after Pbthal answered with FACTS ? you don't believe in a graphic of frequency response ???
And I haven't A/B'd Pbthal's rip with this one yet. I have enjoyed pbthal's rips through & through. No slouch his 90125 rip. Enjoy the music.
you don't need to, when you will burn .wavs to CD and play the audio CD using MS Media Player only, which supports playback of HDCD audio discs (note, HDCD icon will only show when the feature isn't enabled in settings, but the media is present).
the utility I've been using is here (most current one is from Nov 2008 so around 1 year old):
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cjk32/hdcd/
here is the original thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129136
where you can find link to Foobar integration...
http://www.mingo-hmw.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=75806&extra=page%3D1
any more research welcomed...
1) Noise shaping & dithering
2) Reconstruction filter selection
3) Dynamic range compression
Furthermore, all HDCD-certified players would contain the licenced pacific microsonics DAC as part of the hardware decoding packaging, as a complementary pacfic microsonics encoder would have been used. Using a partially-implemented software decoder may not result in the intended analog characteristics during playback.
In short, playing back hdcd-encoded files decoded with hdcd.exe does not really constitute an accurate comparison with playback using a HDCD-certified cd player?
comment from the forum...
Hello -
Please note that while the HDCD encoder *does* use two digital filters which it switches "on-the-fly" during the encoding process, there is only *one* playback filter for HDCD. The idea that there are two playback filters is widespread, but incorrect.
Therefore the software decoders available on the internet *are* doing what they are supposed to be doing. It is not clear how accurate the volume expansion features are, but any errors there are likely to be extremely small.
I hope Hoffman has possibility to work with good equipment? :LOL:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5678/ownera.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5414/ownerb.jpg
Ghost Of Pbthal used optical illusions in waveform comparisons, because waveform with black background looks louder than one with white. His rip also has a lot of clipping after 3dB boost. Clipping boosts frequency response for all frequencies, especially high ones, because they are near to Nyquist frequency.