The Armenian Genocide (by Emmy Award Winner Andrew Goldberg)

Armenian genocide was not. Lie

ThXz for that sad but highly educational documentary
@otis71 I presume you're Turkish... most Turks don't believe that
it happened because they were raised not to believe that such a thing could happen.

P.S.: I think someone is deleting the files while I'm trying to download them...
guess who that could be ?

Sometimes the lack of visual documentation is used as an excuse for historical ignorance
or denial. Thank you for posting it. These are real facts. No one is deleting anything.
Rapidshare files are broken. Incomplete.
Peace,
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the genocide was apllied by Armenians on TURKS by that time. history, archieves say that. This documentary is not on real happenings.This is not scientific.

As the grandson of an so called "Armenian massacre" I was raised with the stories of what happened to the Turks in the Eastern provinces of the Ottoman Empire at that unfortunate times. Based on the promises of the Western powers (USA, British Empire, France and Russia) Armenians tried to increase their numbers in the Eastern provinces of the Ottoman Empire for a possible plebiscite in the future by forcing Turks to immigrate to other places by using brute force. As a result many Turks (estimations range around a million!) were killed by the Armenians. Russia invaded Eastern Provinces of the Ottoman Empire with the help of Armenians. At that time Ottoman Empire was fighting the World War I in two fronts. When Armenians lost the war only the ones in the Eastern provinces were moved to other parts of the Ottoman Empire. (Syria, Lebanon) During this mass exodus many people died of diseases, robed and killed by Kurdish gangs etc. Recall that according to the Armenian Church records there were less than 1.5 million Armenians registered to the church in the whole Ottoman Empire. No Armenian in the Western Provinces of the Ottoman Empire had any problem at all. Still the Armenian head church and the Patriarch is in Istanbul. In short Armenians rebelled against a warring Ottoman Empire and lost. Now it is being a sour loser. Most of the so called historical scenes can not tell whether the suffers are Turkish or Armenian since we all look alike. Best way to understand what really happened is to open up the documents on both sides. Our side is open for anyone to read. May be Erivan should open up theirs as well. For centuries we lived in harmony but Western powers trying to bring Ottoman Empire to its knees and control the Eastern petroleum resources created these problems like they are presently doing similar things nowadays! In short this one sided movie is not worth the time and effort spent on downloading it and watching it.

Invariably in any genocide the biggest culprits are the religious leaders preaching fanaticism. Here in India which is supposed to be a Hindu state (mind you Hinduism it is not a religion - it is a way of life)and a non violent one even the epic of Mahabharat has reference to probably the first genocide - historically and/or mythically - when after the end of the Great war, Yadavas - comprising the armies of Lord Krisha - were wiped out by the millions.

Many Hindus may not agree to this classification but I leave it to the interpretation of the reader of the epic.

What have the western powers done except to steal from the others and eliminate the local population to the maximum. Just look at the north and south Americas.

After watching a few such documentaries on genocide I now very religiously avoid them like plague.

Shame to the turkish people who continue to deny this genocide. This is as if nazis would deny today having killed jewish people. "One sided movie"? But turkish people are the only ones to not recognize the massacres! Every great nation has its dark sides, but to become a great nation, you have to recognize your sins.

@fausta and to the others,

I am a Turk. This was happened in 1915. I was born in 1968. I heard a lot, but I am not the one who was in there. Why dont you let the historician investigate and decide what was done in that period. Everyone accusing Turkish people on this subject althought a 100 years passed. Let's say if you are right, then what, no one lives who was responsible. Why all the racism about Turkish people?

Let historicians decide and I will accept their decision by heart and feel sorry for all what happened.

I want to wacth the movie until reading the comments.

Thank you for this upload. Turkey has established a cottage industry refusing well-established historical facts like the Armenian genocide, the devastation of Smyrna etc. This is to be expected however, as every nation has skeletons in its closet, and, more often than not, the birth of ethnic nations is awash in blood, like the American Indians for instance, the Yugoslav wars and the list goes on and on. A nation that can look back in its history without fears or complexes and is willing to cooperate in today's league of nations can be called modern in my book.

"Let historicians decide"

Well they have decided! and for a long time now! Nobody say turkish people of today are responsible for this genocide, but Turkish nation is responsible not to recognize this past responsibility.

Once again, there is no racism to turkish people in saying this is terrible not to recognize a crime 100 years old. Other countries have recognized their crimes: America and black slavery or native massacres, UK, France and Belgium and colonialism, Germany and nazism. But Turkey do not recognize these crimes. And the reactions here show how much some people don't want to see the facts that all the historians have demonstrated for a long time now. This is very, very sad.

'_ Shame to the turkish people _'

There are more than 70 million Turkish people, not living in '1_9_1_5', what will you do then.

' _Turkish nation is responsible not to recognize this past responsibility_ '

You can not force everyone in a Nation to accept your ideas, go to United Nations or something else with your '_well proven historical facts_' and try to put out a rule (decision) accepted by all countries in the world.

I was not in there, I am very sorry about all the losses in both Armenian and Turkish sides, if it was real, but I SEE A LOT OF RACISM ABOUT TURKISH PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN 2009, who are obviously (at least you can accept this one) not related to _1915_!!!!

Edit: You have to differ government policies with simple people's taughts. Not 100% people in Turkey gives their votes to the parties which governs Turkey. So writing like this '_ Shame to the turkish people _' is real RACISM. Live in today, I have done nothing to Armenians so I have nothing to shame. And I am sure If there exist people like you, this problem will never be solved. Go wacht your documentary, and I will say at last, this is my country, these are my people, LONG LIVE TURKEY.

'_ As a Buddhist _'

really!!! are you sure :))) so much hate and Buddhist!!!, I dont think so!!!, You should talk to guys like 'Orhan Pamuk', I love my people and I love my country.

As a Buddhist, I really feel so sad that the only thing the Turkish here are saying is that the rest of us are racists! It seems this is the only word they know how to use. This kind of self pity is very (in a eufemistic way) disturbing! It's always 'o, poor us, we didn't do anything and people don't like us'... always the same.

This means that this kind of violence and atrocities are still very latent in your culture because you all consist of denial (in that self pity).

The Jews were also killing the Germans I guess?
The Tibetans are also guilty of wiping out the Chinese and their culture?
The Iraqi's are also massively killing the Americans?
The Vietcong were also guilty of an American genocide?
The people of Darfur are also guilty of committing a genocide?
etc...

And al the rest of the (ongoing) genocides are also wrong I guess? Propaganda?

It's all about like the guy in the movie said ey(second picture in the nfo above):
'Whatever needed to be done was done...'

What do you want us to say to that? 'O, it's ok then' ? Carry on?

Sad sad sad...

ps: karma lives upon a nation, and denial of facts are the bricks for enclosing that nation into this bad karma! Do not forget, it has nothing to do with punishment, but the universe works only in correlation with vibes and responds onto the frequencies of the intentional thought or act. And maybe, just maybe, if you really are feeling that there is a lot of rascism about the Turks, then karma is already giving you the price of denial.

GuessNot4Me and profiterolis:

The Rapidshare links are all fine! I downloaded them myself again and extracted the files without problems!

profiterolis, why are you saying: 'Rapidshare files are broken. Incomplete.' ?????????????????

Thanks for posting. I have learned about the Armenian genocide in UCLA. I liked the documentary. We also have learned how till now Turkey unfortunately denies the genocide. The posting here also show how Turks try to deny facts. History can not be erased. The facts of the Armenian genocide are overwhelming. Turks better accept the historical truth and clear their bloddy history.

armenians are treators, so they get paid back. also, they never wanted work together with other historians: they wanted to be shure nobody found the truth.
Now, after new historical investigation we will see who was lying.
From 300 000 reported in 20th , they came up to 2 million now. And all population was 1,3 million, LOL.
fuckin bastard liers!

I am Turkish.

let us think.

200 years ago, were American indians genocide by European imigrants? (their Religion is not important for me Christ or not).

Spanish and Portegese people conquered the south and Latin America.Do you know how many people genocide?

At Rowanda,in 2000s who was the responsible the genocide.

All the history, imperialism are the responsible for genocide.

And then people kill each other.

No matter the color,lenguage or religion of them.

And as we see people it is not just one or two Turks who are denying these facts...

It is without exeption: ALL OF THEM!

And unsalmd, you are completely right, but nobody is denying that!!!!!! How would you feel if we all were denying this??

and 1Benson, you say: 'armenians are treators, so they get paid back.'

Thank you for clearing things out! You see, you are kind of fair. You don't deny it, you just say that they deserved it. That they needed to be payed back.
And this reflects the bunch of you. Everyone of you Turks knows it's true, and you're all thinking that they deserved it, but only one is saying what he thinks, the rest just denies it.

Just hallucinant

' over a million Armenians died '

I laugh, and will always laugh at this (in every ten year they are increasing a 100 thousand, it is very very funny indeed). I dont know who are you kidding. Tell this crap lies in Europe and America. Anyone who lives in Anotolia exactly knows what was the total population and what was the number of armenians in 1915. Total crap, lie.

I am very sure the number of people died from armenians in that days were less than the japans died from 2 atomic bombs of america exploded in hiroshima and nagasaki. Why no one didnt call this as JAPAN GENOCIDE, why nobody says bloody americans killed all japans in a genocide in nagasaki and hiroshima. They say it is a war.

So this is the WORLD WAR 1. (reread the comment by 'DVBjunky' and you decide what happened in that days, Many armenians and many turks died in that region).

Ağrı dağı (mount ararat) is there waiting for you, come and get it (isnt it your main puspose under all these lies) instead of crying so much, charlatans.

Read testimonies of the US ambassador of that time in Turkey who clearly describes the Armenian genocide. Read all the other testimonies of those who saw the genocide with their own eyes.

Turks better stop the lie and then you will have more respect.

Even Turkey's own government condemned young turks for Armenian genocide but now Turks spend billions to spread their lies...

You can not hide the lie forever...

If Turkish killed more than 1.5 million armenians than who are you. Most of armenians in US and Europe are originated from anatolia. You are the grandchildren of those so-called killed armenians. Interesting, maybe sperm freezing technology was applied in 1915. Please read the books of historian Justin McCharty, the English, Russian, French archives. And also archieves of US and compare Turkish archieves.. See if you can find any genocide in these archieves. And ask your self why Armenia is not opening their archieves but Turkish side is opening. if you are so sure then make us shamed by opening your archieves. Learn history not fantasy. Civil war is not a genocide. And also, shame to Armenians who are supporting the occupaion of some parts of azebaijan. Shame to armenian occupiers who killed thousands of children, men and women in Karabag, Azerbaijan.

Armenians were used some photos of death bodies of some civilians as proofs of so-called armenian genocide in an exhibition in I think 2005 etc. But an american journalist recognized that most of the photos are from second world war. And he wrote this. After that exhibition suddenly stopped. What a geonicide. You dont even have real photos. If you have many proofs why are you using fake photos. And again why armenians can not open their archieves, but we opened. Simply why? And simply why there is no scientific paper in social science index, which proves genocide. But there are lots of about Jewish genocide. Isn't it strange. If armenian genocide is a fact there must be some sceintific papers in social science index but there is no.

Archives are full o testimonies and facts about the Armenian genocide by Turks. Justin McCarty is known to receive a lot of money from Turkey to deny the facts of the genocide. Most scholars criticize him and accept the fact of the genocide...

Than maybe the judges of british military tribunal court in 1918 recieved money from Turks to say "no planned massacre/ no genocide". Or maybe English, Russian and French archives writers received money from Turkey not to write genocide in their archives. And maybe scholars of McCarty forgot to write a peer view scientific paper which could be found in social science index. Or maybe Turkey paying money to ISI not to add genocide papers to social science index. We learnt a thing. Turkey is a rich country.

'You can not hide the lie forever'

Yes, you are RIGHT, I will not hide anymore. I killed 5 million ( = 5 . 000 . 000 ) armenian with my hands. This is the TRUTH, I confess. God please forgive me, please God.

MOUNT ARARAT IS THERE WAITING FOR YOU; COME AND GET IT INSTEAD CRYING SO MUCH; CHARLATANS

'Turks better stop the lie and then you will have more respect.'

I DONT NEED ANY RESPECT THAT COMES FROM YOURS, I DONT, NEVER WANT.
(but actually good idea, because I remembered orhan pamuk said what you (always) want and he got a nobel prize, very very very good really. what will you give to me, i want more :)))) )

One more time your so called historian Mccarty has been criticized by normal historians. he is simply paid money by the Turkey government and works for them. He even accepts that in this documentary.

Almost all the historians in all the countries of the world accept the fact of the Armenian genocide. Only Turks (and not all the Turks) and a handfull of historians paid by Turks are arguing the fact of the genocide.

I am not talking about respect by me - an American professor, or respect from Armenians. I am talking about respect of the world. The same way as Germany had a courage to apologize Jews.

' I am not talking about respect by me - an American professor, or respect from Armenians. I am talking about respect of the world. The same way as Germany had a courage to apologize Jews.'

Yes, you are RIGHT, I will not hide anymore. I killed 5 million ( = 5 . 000 . 000 ) armenian with my hands. This is the TRUTH, I confess.
(but actually good idea, because I remembered orhan pamuk said what you (always) want and he got a nobel prize, very very very good really. what will you give to me, i want more :)))) )

Here is an article published in New York Times on December 15, 1915. It is on the Armenian Genocide.

Written in 1915 by eyewitnesses, it states: "MILLION ARMENIANS KILLED OR IN EXILE..."


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E02E5DC1E38E633A25756C1A9649D946496D6CF

Please respect yourself and stop spreading lies. Lies can not live long.

I will read the article and I am sorry for the people who died (armenians and turks) in 1915. I love my country and my people. That's all I want to say, Goodnight. And please dont change the numbers too much, one day 500, another 1000 a few years later 1500 thousand, ..., sorry I am not a child anymore.

Hundered thousands of Turks were living in the lands that are called Armenia now. Where are all these people? Are they evaporated? no. They were killed and forced to excile, so we can say armenians are killers so this is a genocide. But we dont say, why? Because the term of genocide does not only includes these. Learn the meaning of genocide legally.According to you US must be guilty of Vietnam genocide, Japan genocide, Iraq genocide. Or French, English and others must be quilty for lots of genocides. Of course armenians were killed by Turks and Kurds and of course Turks were killed by armenians during the first world war, we are just telling this was a civil war. And armenians lost that war. After that war we had Kars and Ankara agreements with russia and armenia under ruling of russia in 1921. In these agreement documents you can not find the word "genocide". According to these agreemets, your ancestor's goverment accepted that there was no genocide. Learn history not fantasy. And NY Times is a political newspaper it is not scienctific peer view journal. There are thousands of various lies or delusions in newspapers in every country. How NY Times counted the killed armenians in war conditions. Even in 2009 we dont know the accurate civilian losses in Iraq. Actually we still dont know the exact number of killed Turks during world war I. But NY times knows eveything.

Here is an official telegram sent by Henry Morgenthau Sr. on July 16, 1915 to what he describes a process of "race extermination" in regards to what was happening to the Armenians at that time.

Morgenthau served as the United States ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmbassadorMorgenthautelegram.jpg

2Fanerose

Yes, they get fuckin paid back - they was DEPORTED. Armenians lost from 200 to 300 thousand people INCLUDING armenian militia. OVER 600 000 MUSLIMS WAS DIED FROM ARMENIAN TREATORS. So you all lying fuckin bastards, all of you run out from Turkey and reported yourself like dead people LOL

Very good telegram ending with 'Constantinople'. It shows what American (main Imperialist in the world) thinks about very well. Thanks to Bin Laden, you feel the same fear about terror and killings all the years we have. Thanks to twin towers.

Solve first (if you can) Palestinian, Irak, Afghanistan Genocide, then concentrate on what was in past.

Very very funy :)

The publisher of this article actually wants 10th of November, but I think moderators were quick enouhg to publish 9 th of November. All are planned. They are here crying for us to accept. Go on, get a life, THIS IS 2009, NOT 1915 ANYMORE.

(ps. next year publish this very good documentary again BUT this time in 29 OCTOBER, it will suit better, all mean armenians, your links to this post was not abused, not deleted, can you see!!! Why? Simple answer - NO ONE CARES :) )

Adolf Hitler was an avid reader and read everything about the Armenian genocide while serving as a corporal during the First World War. He then made his famous statement "Who remembers now the extermination of the Armenians?" to justify his own extermination policies. Read on here:

http://www.zoryaninstitute.org/Books/book_hitler_and_armenian.htm

' Morgenthau served as the United States ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916. '

This is ambassador, okey. This is American, okey. And wrote this, okey. I havent heard any 'GENOCIDE' term from any president of UNited States, Sorry but I havent heard it. Why? You have to first agreed USA Goverments, then come to us. We are simple Turk, love our, love our country, we are not all Orhan Pamuk.

And dont you know we hate USA. Almost all the people, left sides, nationalist and islamic sides are all against politics of America. Dont look at what our politians said. this is enough for this stupid genocide matter, i will not write anymore, till next year, maybe 29 october :)

' I am not talking about respect by me - an American professor, or respect from Armenians. I am talking about respect of the world. '

I DONT NEED ANY RESPECT THAT COMES FROM YOURS, I DONT, NEVER WANT (respect from armenian facists + armenian racists + world)

43 out of 50 US states officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. Every US President every year gives a speech to commemorate the Armenian Genocide. The US presidents use different words to describe the Armenian Genocide, like massacre. because Turkey's government, US ally, spends billions on lobbying against it.
However in the US States the Armenian genocide is officially recognized.


Ronald Reagan used the word GENOCIDE describing the Armenian Genocide in April 22, 1981.

He said: "Like the genocide of the Armenians before it, and the genocide of the Cambodians which followed it — and like too many other such persecutions of too many other peoples — the lessons of the Holocaust must never be forgotten."

In 1996, the US House of Representatives passed House Resolution 3540 calling on Turkey to acknowledge "the atrocity committed against the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire from 1915 to 1923” and take “all appropriate steps to honor the memory of the victims of the Armenian Genocide.”

In 1984, the US House of Representatives passed H.J.Res.247 calling for "remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923..."

Let resume the problem: the only people here who say there is no genocide are turkish (by the way, most of you say "only 300 000 people". Even this sentence is a shame). I don't understand how you can imagine you are right against the rest of the world. I just cannot understand it. At the age of the internet, you can try to have an eye on historical publications... I mean, I am not armenian, but I am a history university scholar, and every real historian will talk about the genocide!

By the way, is it true that anybody in Turkey saying that there have been a genocide can be sued by justice? Yes it is. And you talk about truth? The FACT is there has been a genocide. And you know what: I bet turkish government will accept it in less than 20 years, because they know they cannot have normal relationship with european countries if they keep having a negationnist relationship with history.

"Posted By: mtigr Date: 11 Nov 2009 20:02:11
Here is an article published in New York Times on December 15, 1915. It is on the Armenian Genocide.
Written in 1915 by eyewitnesses, it states: "MILLION ARMENIANS KILLED OR IN EXILE..."
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E02E5DC1E38E633A25756C1A9649D946496D6CF
Please respect yourself and stop spreading lies. Lies can not live long. "

THAT İS ALL LİE . THAT İS ALL LİE.

THİS ARTICLE IS WRİTTEN AT 1915 .

WAS THERE TURKEY OR TURKİSH REPUBLİC AT 1915 ?????????? noooooooooOOOO TURKISH REP. ESTABLISHED AT 1923

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

IT WAS OTTOMAN EMPAIRE ............

SO THIS ARTICLE İS FAKE PLEASE READ THİS ARTİCLE...

This is really sad and disappointing to live with these idiots here in Istanbul, Turkey. They can deny even their existence if the opposite is claimed by a non-Turk + non-Muslim who have deserved only to die so far...

lol at edddy, I feel your frustration!

And be carefull with your karma's Turkish people. You know that there are millions of you living in Europe. People bear you in their countries, they kind of accept you. Tolerate you! But karma is a weird thing. Things can change very very quickly.
What if millions were to be killed in Europe one day, and the next day we would simply deny it? I guess you would say that you would have deserved it no? Because the Turks committed the Armenian genocide so the Europeans would commit a legitimit genocide?
This is the way you are thinking guys. It's kind of disgusting no?

Anyway, good vibes to you all!

NOTE: OBVIOUSLY THE TURKS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE POST SO THE LINKS ARE DEAD.
I'LL POST THEM AGAIN WITHIN A DAY OR FIVE (max).

NEW LINKS COMING UP, COME BACK SOON!

Thanks

ps: for those who can not wait to have this docu: the mirror links from animate are still active.

armenians get a life. first world war was almost a 100 years ago. Turks will not give the things to you that you want.
what kind of psychology to live in hundred years ago and still complain about a lost war.
Turkey and Armenia are having better relationships nowadays. Wise people live in their era, not in history.

Prof. Dr.Bernard Lewis
Princeton University distinguishing Armenian Case from Holocaust

http://www.ataa.org/reference/pdf/lewis.pdf

Please.. re-upload the links if its possible..